Doesn't look good for those of us who like diesels. Sounds like the pollution controls are killing it. Article

My DEF Diesel is supposed to have near zero emissions??

Have to agree the need for diesels is less and less every decade. Gas engine technology (like the EcoBoost from Ford) is making diesel less relevant, and the emissions choking that regulators are putting on diesel engines makes them less and less efficient, and extremely costly to produce and repair. As an example, I bought 6 new Bosch injectors for my then 2002 Dodge/Cummins 5.9L for $300. That's $50 each for NEW injectors. Today, one new injector can cost 20x that ($1000). I would not want to have to foot the repair bill for fixing a 2015+ diesel today. Look at the Ford guys (very few admittedly, but the point is the cost) who had to shell out $18,000 for a new fuel system when the CP4 ate itself. That's one of the primary reasons I went withj the 6.4L Hemi last time I bought new. Does a diesel tow a heavy load easier and with better mpg? Yes, absolutely.But, I could probably buy two or three new 6.4L Hemis for the cost of a Ford 6.7L fuel system.Add to that the fact that DPF theft is an issue where I live. Thieves prowl around in stolen trucks with cordless sawzalls. The like lifted diesels as they have easy access. Police reports I have read state replacing the hacked exhaust system and DPF is around $10,000 here in Canada.Just not worth it unless you tow 80% of the time for work or play. Better off to buy a gas engine IMO.

Dang! Just when the diesel Jeep Wrangler is coming out.....well whatever, I don't worry about speculation much. But if it's true, should probably go snatch up a few Eco diesels and moth ball them for a couple years! Sounds like a solid investment.

Isn't Chevy betting on diesels...cars and trucks?

FCA(Marchionne) says diesel is dead | Good Sam Community

ib516
Explorer II
Apr 20, 2018
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

Probably because of the horrid mpg they would get.

In a recent test, the "e-beggars" aka TFL guys put an Expedition (3.5 V6 EcoBoost) up against a GM SUV with a 6.2L V8, both towing a 7000# trailer over the same route. The huge GM V8 beat the "Eco"Boost by 0.5 mpg, 9.1 for the 6.2L vs 8.5 or so for the 3.5L turbo Ford.

If a tiny 3.5L V6 (remember that's ONLY about 217 cubic inches) gets 8.5 mpg pulling 7000#, what would a gas V8 turbo get? 3 to 5 mpg?

There's a reason they are sticking to SMALL engines to throw turbos on...
crcr
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
drsteve wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

Bingo! I’ve had the diesel bug ever since they quit being pieces of chit and actually started putting down some power.
But a twin turbo eco boost type V8 making somewhere around Hellcat numbers would get me to rethink my diesel decisions!

The small displacement EcoBoost is used because trucks are coming under increasingly strict fuel economy regulations. A big gas V8 will get lousy mileage both on the boost and not on the boost. If you want big power from a V8, just make the pistons bigger. It's cheaper than a turbo.

3/4 and 1 ton trucks are exempt from EPA mileage disclosure requirements. And anyway, re fuel economy regulations, they are NOT being made more stringent, instead they are being scrapped, linky link.

Further, I don't care if larger pistons are cheaper than turbos, my potential interest in a gasser for towing would be in a turbocharged V8. Engines with turbos are much less subject to power loss due to altitude, and generally have a torque curve more suitable for towing than naturally aspirated engines.
ppine
Explorer II
Apr 17, 2018
I have spent the last two days running a diesel excavaltor in my yard. It is a small Kubota with a back hoe and a blade. It only weighs 4,000 pounds but got a ton of work done. I used 3 gallons of fuel. This is exactly how other countries get their work done.
drsteve
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
womps wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

And I wonder how gigantic the grille would be to cool such an engine under heavy load.

Probably as big as the new Toyota and Lexus cars and suvs!

Those things look like the factory forgot to install part of the front end.
drsteve
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
Grit dog wrote:
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

Bingo! I’ve had the diesel bug ever since they quit being pieces of chit and actually started putting down some power.
But a twin turbo eco boost type V8 making somewhere around Hellcat numbers would get me to rethink my diesel decisions!

The small displacement EcoBoost is used because trucks are coming under increasingly strict fuel economy regulations. A big gas V8 will get lousy mileage both on the boost and not on the boost. If you want big power from a V8, just make the pistons bigger. It's cheaper than a turbo.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Apr 17, 2018
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

Bingo! I’ve had the diesel bug ever since they quit being pieces of chit and actually started putting down some power.
But a twin turbo eco boost type V8 making somewhere around Hellcat numbers would get me to rethink my diesel decisions!
womps
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
ShinerBock wrote:
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

And I wonder how gigantic the grille would be to cool such an engine under heavy load.

Probably as big as the new Toyota and Lexus cars and suvs!
ShinerBock
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

And I wonder how gigantic the grille would be to cool such an engine under heavy load.
captnjack
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
crcr wrote:
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...

Me too.
crcr
Explorer
Apr 17, 2018
I'm wondering when one of the Big 3 US truck manufacturers might market a gas V-8 with turbo(s) in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. That's one gasser I would consider for towing ...