Ford 6.7L Powerstroke V8 Diesel

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Wanted to get some feedback from 6.7L owners. Took a look at a DRW 8 foot bed Extended cab. Looked and sounded good.

Replacing 2006 Silverado 8.1L Allison Crew Cab

[FishOnOne]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:
I've had no issues from my '15. Lots of power and it pulls my fifth wheel effortlessly. It's also very easy to maintain with how they locate all the filters. I changed both fuel filters and the air filter in 10-15 minutes not too long ago. I'd buy again in a second if I had to.

I just changed my oil and oil filter this afternoon on my Power Stroke. Took all of 20 minutes tops. Nice thing is there's no crazy gimmicks to cap the oil filter, no saran wrap, no removing the air filter tubing non sense. Just a simple unscrew oil filter and drop it into the oil pan like God intended. :B

That's great to hear that Ford made things so easy!!

I heard that since the 6.Oh and 6.4 problem Ford started to make changing engines much easier for the mechanic for the 6.7. Like turbo's that are held onto the engine with 1/4 turn fasteners so when they blow the turbo's are easy to R&R.

The valve covers and heads now come with Dzus fasteners so when the valve heads start falling off of the stems they are not too bad to change out.


The radiators now come with quick disconnects on the hoses so when the radiator takes a dump you can change it on the road. and your vacation is saved.

The glow plugs that fall off into the cylinder are pretty easy to replace, but it will take out the entire engine.

Anyway it's good to see Ford is making things easier for the mechanics and homeowners like you Fish. :B

You forgot another failure... Link

Oooppps wrong brand.... :B


You forgot they're also making things easier for service managers too... Now they can manage less diesel mechanics.

Now find me 10, 15 or 20 more and you will have something Troy. Or even several posts of runaway Dmax engines. Not going to happen.


The bottom line is this OP.

There are problems with certain engines. Like take for instance the LB7 GM diesel. They WILL have injector failures. Why? Because of the junk Bosch injectors. They are junk! And expensive to replace in this engine. This engine will have this failure because it was a design flaw. If the injectors were not replaced in this engine I would not recommend you buy one used if it had factory injectors in it. Too much of a risk.

The 6.7 Ford from 2011 to 2014 had tons of turbo problems. The turbo WILL fail just like the LB7 injectors did. Why? Because the turbo was a duel wheel design that was JUNK! Ford saw the error of their ways and fixed the turbo with a single wheel design. That ended that problem for ever.

2011 through 2014 also had junk CP4 pumps. This is not only a Ford problem GM put the same JUNK pump on their engines. The thing was GM warranteed their pumps for the most part and Ford did not. This is well documented. Ram did not worry about this because they used the older design pump that was pretty bullet proof.

Along with the other problems I listed above they had bearing problems also. Ford decided to not put bearing retention tangs on the main bearing. Really DUMB move. Although nothing like the amount of turbo failures, they still had a few lower end bearing failures.

People that say they have x amount of miles on Y brand mean nothing. I have over 140,000 miles on a 5.7 diesel with 0 problems. That means nothing because the engines are JUNK plain and simple.

Don't listen to the fan boys on here. Go on any Ford forum and look for failure trends. This will mean more than ANYBODY on here including myself.

Turtle,
I speak/communicate with several Ford and cummins diesel techs with one being my cousin. One has even stated he hardly works on the 6.7 PSD (RIP Dieseltechron). Even my current truck at 4 years and 93k miles it has yet to see a wrench except for the lug nuts... Just remember that the 6.7 Power Stroke has 75% of the diesel engine market and the Duramax has ~10% so the internet chatter is not statistically the same. But in the spirit of your request I'm posing a link to a Duramax failure close to home. I will say my parents still have their 05 Duramax and it's been a good truck, but it's no where near the towing performance as my Power Stroke.
Best Regards,
Fish :B

Duramax Headgasket Failure

[womps]

45Ricochet wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I believe when T&P said 5.7 diesel he meant he has a 5.7 diesel. The 5.7 diesel was a GM engines brought out in the 80's that proved to be, like Turtle said, a junk engine. But, even junk engines sometime last 30 years without giving any trouble.

I had the pleasure of owning a 5.7 diesel. What a POS engine.
Climbing the grapevine one year I had big rigs passing me, uphill!

I owned one of the first. Big rigs would pass me going up the hills and I wasn't towing anything! Major engine problems before 10,000 miles. Traded back to a gas jobber after 6 months of ownership. Mine was a Cheverolet. Well that is what the bow tie on the grill said. However the tail gate said GMC. Came from the factory that way.

[45Ricochet]

4x4ord wrote:
I believe when T&P said 5.7 diesel he meant he has a 5.7 diesel. The 5.7 diesel was a GM engines brought out in the 80's that proved to be, like Turtle said, a junk engine. But, even junk engines sometime last 30 years without giving any trouble.

I had the pleasure of owning a 5.7 diesel. What a POS engine.
Climbing the grapevine one year I had big rigs passing me, uphill!

[mach8274]

My apologies, I don't know why that double posted...

[mach8274]

1jeep wrote:
wow you guys really think everything on the road is junk nowadays?
when I started driving all I could afford were cars from the early 70's...I don't recall much good about those aside from being easy to fix, which was done daily!

Let me rephrase, perhaps the "junk" word was misused. What I meant was that every manufacturer has issues in one form or another.

[mach8274]

1jeep wrote:
wow you guys really think everything on the road is junk nowadays?
when I started driving all I could afford were cars from the early 70's...I don't recall much good about those aside from being easy to fix, which was done daily!

Let me rephrase, perhaps the "junk" word was misused. What I meant was that every manufacturer has issues in one form or another.

[patriotgrunt]

Fish,

That oil change sounds pretty easy. I'm glad you don't have to remove your wheel to access the oil filter like other brand owners have to do. I'm lucky my dealership offered lifetime free oil changes. My Ford dealer takes care of me unlike some other dealers where I had to fight to get service for another brand 6.7 I use to own. Good thing I sold that truck before all the recalls came out in the past year. I've heard they authorized buybacks for that older truck due to front end issues and design.

[1jeep]

wow you guys really think everything on the road is junk nowadays?
when I started driving all I could afford were cars from the early 70's...I don't recall much good about those aside from being easy to fix, which was done daily!

[mach8274]

I'm going to try and respond to all the comments about my experience...

Yes, warranty is a must with these new vehicles, not just Ford but all manufacturers. I was just out of the diesel engine warranty by time, but I had an extended ESP plan through Ford which is what covered my repairs. I put less than 10k/year on my truck as it is used primarily for towing duties.

Someone asked why I would go back and buy another after a failure like this at 48k...I have no reason not to. Ford took care of me on this deal. I would still have that truck but like I said, I was overweight so I took this as an opportunity to upgrade to a 350 DRW.

Ford went through growing pains with the 6.7L. It's their first in-house built diesel and like any other manufacturer, you will find weaknesses in the early ones. Ford learned their lessons and made production changes to rectify these weaknesses.

I never had any other issues with the truck. In fact, as far as the engine goes, there was ever only one other warranty claim on it for an oil leak very early on. It turned out to be the oil separator and not really part of the engine.

I work on cars for a living at a high line dealer. Even this brand, which will remain nameless, has their issues, including major engine repairs. Everything on the road today is junk, might as well drive what you like!!

[4x4ord]

I believe when T&P said 5.7 diesel he meant he has a 5.7 diesel. The 5.7 diesel was a GM engines brought out in the 80's that proved to be, like Turtle said, a junk engine. But, even junk engines sometime last 30 years without giving any trouble.

[Sport45]

rhagfo wrote:
T&P, not sure if you have a 5.9 or 6.7, but 140K is just broken in, wait until you get to 292K!!

It may be closer to broken down than broken in. I think he was referring to an early GM 5.7 diesel, not a Cummins engine.

[rhagfo]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


Now find me 10, 15 or 20 more and you will have something Troy. Or even several posts of runaway Dmax engines. Not going to happen.


The bottom line is this OP.

There are problems with certain engines. Like take for instance the LB7 GM diesel. They WILL have injector failures. Why? Because of the junk Bosch injectors. They are junk! And expensive to replace in this engine. This engine will have this failure because it was a design flaw. If the injectors were not replaced in this engine I would not recommend you buy one used if it had factory injectors in it. Too much of a risk.

The 6.7 Ford from 2011 to 2014 had tons of turbo problems. The turbo WILL fail just like the LB7 injectors did. Why? Because the turbo was a duel wheel design that was JUNK! Ford saw the error of their ways and fixed the turbo with a single wheel design. That ended that problem for ever.

2011 through 2014 also had junk CP4 pumps. This is not only a Ford problem GM put the same JUNK pump on their engines. The thing was GM warranteed their pumps for the most part and Ford did not. This is well documented. Ram did not worry about this because they used the older design pump that was pretty bullet proof.

Along with the other problems I listed above they had bearing problems also. Ford decided to not put bearing retention tangs on the main bearing. Really DUMB move. Although nothing like the amount of turbo failures, they still had a few lower end bearing failures.

People that say they have x amount of miles on Y brand mean nothing. I have over 140,000 miles on a 5.7 diesel with 0 problems. That means nothing because the engines are JUNK plain and simple.

Don't listen to the fan boys on here. Go on any Ford forum and look for failure trends. This will mean more than ANYBODY on here including myself.

T&P, not sure if you have a 5.9 or 6.7, but 140K is just broken in, wait until you get to 292K!!

[rhagfo]

mach8274 wrote:
OK...my turn. I had a 2011 F250 6.7L Power Stroke. Bought it in Feb of 2011 and put 48k miles on it. Coming home from a camping trip a few weeks ago, the engine started knocking. Had it towed to my dealer and after tear down, it spun 2 rod bearings. Engine was replaced under warranty and I was back in business within a week. I did trade the truck after I got it back from the engine replacement though. I traded because we were overweight while towing. I now have a 2016 F350 DRW 6.7L Power Stroke. I loved my 2011 and judging by what I've read, will love the 2016 even more with the upgraded turbo and engine braking.

That being said, there have been a few comments on cab removal for the new trucks...that is FALSE!! The cab never came off of my truck. Engine is removed through the front, similar to the older 7.3L trucks.

The engine issues with the 6.7L have been primarily with early build trucks. My 2011 was built in August 2010. There have been broken crank shafts, dropped valves, turbo issues(cab and chassis) and glow plugs coming apart. The tech I talked to said this was the first time they have ever heard of them with a spun bearing.

I know, I just gave the Dodge fanboys more ammo, but I feel that my experience was an exception. I am confident in these trucks, that's why I bought another one. So far, for the most part, they have been excellent trucks.

:h:S

Wow, Blue Kool-Ade at full potency, 48 K and engine failure! Please give me another sir!!!

I was a true Blue Ford man for 45 years, did get DD a 19?? Dasher Diesel in that time period, but True Blue. Then I needed to get a better TV, my choice was a Cummins engine, darn Doge wrapper. Well both have exceed my expectations!
Our Ram 2500 pulls/carries our 12,360# 5er like a champ!
Currently, at 292,500 miles, you can see how my engine is doing in the "Ram 3500 Oil Change thread" in Tow vehicles , early and current oil analysis, still doing well. Likely will take this rig to 500,00 k.

I just don't understand one that will go back to a TV that filed then at such low mileage?

[blofgren]

mach8274 wrote:
OK...my turn. I had a 2011 F250 6.7L Power Stroke. Bought it in Feb of 2011 and put 48k miles on it. Coming home from a camping trip a few weeks ago, the engine started knocking. Had it towed to my dealer and after tear down, it spun 2 rod bearings. Engine was replaced under warranty and I was back in business within a week. I did trade the truck after I got it back from the engine replacement though. I traded because we were overweight while towing. I now have a 2016 F350 DRW 6.7L Power Stroke. I loved my 2011 and judging by what I've read, will love the 2016 even more with the upgraded turbo and engine braking.

That being said, there have been a few comments on cab removal for the new trucks...that is FALSE!! The cab never came off of my truck. Engine is removed through the front, similar to the older 7.3L trucks.

The engine issues with the 6.7L have been primarily with early build trucks. My 2011 was built in August 2010. There have been broken crank shafts, dropped valves, turbo issues(cab and chassis) and glow plugs coming apart. The tech I talked to said this was the first time they have ever heard of them with a spun bearing.

I know, I just gave the Dodge fanboys more ammo, but I feel that my experience was an exception. I am confident in these trucks, that's why I bought another one. So far, for the most part, they have been excellent trucks.

I'm glad to hear Ford looked after you with warranty. Did they give any indication as to what caused the bearing failure?

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:
I've had no issues from my '15. Lots of power and it pulls my fifth wheel effortlessly. It's also very easy to maintain with how they locate all the filters. I changed both fuel filters and the air filter in 10-15 minutes not too long ago. I'd buy again in a second if I had to.

I just changed my oil and oil filter this afternoon on my Power Stroke. Took all of 20 minutes tops. Nice thing is there's no crazy gimmicks to cap the oil filter, no saran wrap, no removing the air filter tubing non sense. Just a simple unscrew oil filter and drop it into the oil pan like God intended. :B

That's great to hear that Ford made things so easy!!

I heard that since the 6.Oh and 6.4 problem Ford started to make changing engines much easier for the mechanic for the 6.7. Like turbo's that are held onto the engine with 1/4 turn fasteners so when they blow the turbo's are easy to R&R.

The valve covers and heads now come with Dzus fasteners so when the valve heads start falling off of the stems they are not too bad to change out.


The radiators now come with quick disconnects on the hoses so when the radiator takes a dump you can change it on the road. and your vacation is saved.

The glow plugs that fall off into the cylinder are pretty easy to replace, but it will take out the entire engine.

Anyway it's good to see Ford is making things easier for the mechanics and homeowners like you Fish. :B

You forgot another failure... Link

Oooppps wrong brand.... :B


You forgot they're also making things easier for service managers too... Now they can manage less diesel mechanics.

Now find me 10, 15 or 20 more and you will have something Troy. Or even several posts of runaway Dmax engines. Not going to happen.


The bottom line is this OP.

There are problems with certain engines. Like take for instance the LB7 GM diesel. They WILL have injector failures. Why? Because of the junk Bosch injectors. They are junk! And expensive to replace in this engine. This engine will have this failure because it was a design flaw. If the injectors were not replaced in this engine I would not recommend you buy one used if it had factory injectors in it. Too much of a risk.

The 6.7 Ford from 2011 to 2014 had tons of turbo problems. The turbo WILL fail just like the LB7 injectors did. Why? Because the turbo was a duel wheel design that was JUNK! Ford saw the error of their ways and fixed the turbo with a single wheel design. That ended that problem for ever.

2011 through 2014 also had junk CP4 pumps. This is not only a Ford problem GM put the same JUNK pump on their engines. The thing was GM warranteed their pumps for the most part and Ford did not. This is well documented. Ram did not worry about this because they used the older design pump that was pretty bullet proof.

Along with the other problems I listed above they had bearing problems also. Ford decided to not put bearing retention tangs on the main bearing. Really DUMB move. Although nothing like the amount of turbo failures, they still had a few lower end bearing failures.

People that say they have x amount of miles on Y brand mean nothing. I have over 140,000 miles on a 5.7 diesel with 0 problems. That means nothing because the engines are JUNK plain and simple.

Don't listen to the fan boys on here. Go on any Ford forum and look for failure trends. This will mean more than ANYBODY on here including myself.