Ford superduty inventory ?

[Hedgehog]

I am looking to order a F350 to tow my new Montana fifthwheel. Even though I've owned ford diesels in the past, I had my heart set on ordering a 6.2 gas with 4.30 gears since I will only be towing in New England and under 2,000 miles a year.
Well now I am starting to second guess my decision on the gas engine even though I know it will do the job. My main reasons for second guessing is because of power and resale value although I would be more likely to keep the gas rig longer since it's cheaper to fix out of warranty. During my truck quest, I can't help but notice that the ford dealers are loaded with 2015 power strokes and also a lot of 2011-2014 trade ins. Some 2014's have less than 2,000 miles on them. It makes me wonder, are they traded do to problems? Also, is the lots loaded with 2015 diesels because people want them or because the dealer is stuck with them?

[spoon059]

goducks10 wrote:
Your gasser is worth less than my diesel because you paid less for it. Not because no one wants a gasser but just because it was less expensive to begin with. My diesel is worth more because I paid more.

Yes and no. Its not worth more simply because you paid more for it. It is only worth more if the next buyer thinks it is worth more. Think of the housing market... all these idiots assumed that someone else would always be willing to pay more for the house.

Look at the Ford 6.0 engines. You can buy those cheaper than gas now. They aren't worth more simply because the original owner paid more for it.

Diesels are only worth more because their is a perceived higher value. If they came out with a new, more powerful and more fuel efficient engine tomorrow, your diesel value would plummet. The amount of money that you paid for it has very little effect on its future worth.

[Greene728]

Dave H M wrote:
Bammaman, where did you get the data that gassers will only tow up to 10K. :h

It's not data at all. It's another "opinion".

[Greene728]

Bamaman1 wrote:

Greene728 wrote:
I see quite the opposite here. We are seeing more gas powered trucks from all the big three makers every day. One of my best friends dad is in sales at a very large volume Ford dealer in Metro Atlanta and he has said a couple of times that the gas engine sales are often times equal to the diesel and a couple of months been higher. Especially in fleet sales. We have also ordered 5 new ambulances this year. All F-450 with the 6.8 V10. Now this really doesn't mean squat. But I think it's a sign of the simplicity, reliability, and performance in these newer and very capable gas engines. Look for the trend to continue IMHO. Maybe why there's konot that many gassers sitting on the lots vs.their diesel counterparts???

The new generation gas 3/4-1 ton trucks are fine, however they have their limitations--about 10,000 lbs dry weight towing. Any more weight and diesels are required. And those driving mega miles will do better with diesels.

My truck came from Akin Ford in Winder, GA. He's by far the largest Ford dealer in the Atlanta area and see what he sells. When I bought my truck, he had more diesels in stock than many states. I just like the way the diesel engines pull through the mid range and their durability.

Just because they had mostly diesel on the lot does not at all mean that is always mostly what they sell. One reason there's not as many gassers is because they sell pretty quickly. And as others have stated, dealers stock what the profit margin is in on the lot. And where does your 10,000k dry weight figure come from because its completely bogus! Or is it just your opinion?

[Grit_dog]

spud1957 wrote:

Dave H M wrote:
Bammaman, where did you get the data that gassers will only tow up to 10K. :h

Dave, that would be because most diesel owners like to............

Haha, whatever......
You can tow 20k with a gasser pickup, just slooooowly.
Get what you want and drive the p!ss out of it!

[ForestGump]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Do your self a favor and look the trucks over at GM and RAM dealerships.

AND?

[goducks10]

Hedgehog wrote:
Goducks, you didn't figure in the $8,500 to buy the Diesel engine into your calculations.

Buying the diesel option is no different than any other option you buy. You will get a portion of it back when selling or trading in. I see no difference in buying a loaded Lariat/Laramie gasser or an SLT with the diesel. With your way of thinking no one should buy anything other than the base model. Most of us don't buy the base model and have options added to the truck.

The idea that the diesel has to pay for it's self is old school. Does a moonroof or leather interior have to pay for it's self? It all evens out in the end. Your gasser is worth less than my diesel because you paid less for it. Not because no one wants a gasser but just because it was less expensive to begin with. My diesel is worth more because I paid more.

[spud1957]

Dave H M wrote:
Bammaman, where did you get the data that gassers will only tow up to 10K. :h

Dave, that would be because most diesel owners like to............

[Dave_H_M]

Bammaman, where did you get the data that gassers will only tow up to 10K. :h

[Bamaman11]

Greene728 wrote:
I see quite the opposite here. We are seeing more gas powered trucks from all the big three makers every day. One of my best friends dad is in sales at a very large volume Ford dealer in Metro Atlanta and he has said a couple of times that the gas engine sales are often times equal to the diesel and a couple of months been higher. Especially in fleet sales. We have also ordered 5 new ambulances this year. All F-450 with the 6.8 V10. Now this really doesn't mean squat. But I think it's a sign of the simplicity, reliability, and performance in these newer and very capable gas engines. Look for the trend to continue IMHO. Maybe why there's not that many gassers sitting on the lots vs.their diesel counterparts???

The new generation gas 3/4-1 ton trucks are fine, however they have their limitations--about 10,000 lbs dry weight towing. Any more weight and diesels are required. And those driving mega miles will do better with diesels.

My truck came from Akin Ford in Winder, GA. He's by far the largest Ford dealer in the Atlanta area and see what he sells. When I bought my truck, he had more diesels in stock than many states. I just like the way the diesel engines pull through the mid range and their durability.

[gsxr1300]

1jeep wrote:
YEs and the Tasca's are still involved in racing.

My 2015 Mustang is there now getting some HP upgrades :}

[Hedgehog]

Goducks, you didn't figure in the $8,500 to buy the Diesel engine into your calculations.

[Hedgehog]

I tow up some steep hills but it's nothing like the Rockies. The steepest grade I climb is the mass pike heading to lake George or in the white mountains of New Hampshire
I too know a friend that tows his 14,000# fifthwheel close to 10,000 miles a year between Massachusetts, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Illinois and he opted for the 6.2 liter, 4.30 gears and is happy with them. I used his truck to tow my Montana home last week and it did just fine. It downshifted to 4th once while climbing a bridge but do to traffic I couldn't get a running start at the bridge.

[goducks10]

Right now gas and diesel are running the same around here. 5500 miles at 8.1 mpg and gas at $3.00 = $2,037.00
5500 miles at 10.5 (diesel) and diesel at #3.00 =$1,571.00
2,037
-1,571
= $466
400-100=300
$466-#300=$166. The guy driving the diesel will come out ahead.

[Son_of_Diablo]

Hedgehog, I have real world experience with an F350 6.2 gasser with 4.30 gears. We left Wisconsin the middle of May pulling a 36 foot 5er toy hauler, I weighed in at 14, 200 pounds. I am currently in Anchorage, Ak 5500 miles from home, we pulled up some 8 to 9% grade mountains (Rockies and the Top of the World Hwy). There were times I was in 2nd gear at 3500 rpm wondering if I was going to start rolling backwards down the mountain, that was when I wanted the disel torque. But, when the diesel guys went for their oil and service jobs and paid $400 plus and I paid less than $100 I was convinced I ordered the right engine.
BTW, I am averaging 8.1 mpg pulling the rig.
IMO, if you will be towing on mostly level ground the gasser will be fine, if planning on mountain driving, get the torquey diesel.