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Ford to Stop Stripping Trucks for Payload Ratings

FishOnOne
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Very interesting....

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'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"
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Sport45
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Link in OP wrote:
Following General Motors' lead, Ford has confirmed that it will stop stripping its pickups to inflate their maximum payload ratings.

In a case of one-upmanship, both companies had removed any optional components -- including bumpers -- and opted for lighter alloy wheels to reduce curb weight and boost payload capacity.


Big whup. So now they will weigh the stripped (no options) model with base steel wheels instead of aluminum. What difference will that make, maybe 150 pounds?

They'll still weigh the base model without a bumper or other accessories since they allow us to order them that way. Some don't want to buy a bumper, radio, etc since they will just throw them away and install their own anyway. Anything we install is using up available payload, and we should know it.

Instead, should they weigh a truck with the most options and give us a worst case payload? Should they plunk a 300 pounder in each of the seats and add Ranch Hand bumpers?

I think what they are doing is okay as long as they use a truck you can actually order, even if nobody here actually wants to order one. I just don't see the big deal here.
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RinconVTR
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Cheating and lying? Look guys...engineering and marketing rarely agree. What is published as ratings and later changed with little to no design changes doesn't mean crap. People think its pixie dust and such...its not. It's just a marketing game, but marketing will NEVER EVER EVER exceed what engineering defines as maximums. NEVER.

Its a sales game people.....SALES AND MARKETING.

RELAX!

OH48Lt
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They all do it, no story here (Left Lane News, really?). Next week it'll be a story from some other third-rate publication or 4th-rate "automotive writer" with his version of what happened or didn't happen with some other manufacturer. Doesn't seem to hurt Ford truck sales, they are still where they have been for the past 3+ decades.... in first place.
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RoyJ
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06Fargo wrote:
The math would look something like front axle 5000lbs + rear axle 6000lbs = GVWR 9900lbs. and make total sense, no doubt. :C


For the life of me I can't figure out why light trucks / cars have axle ratings and GVWs that don't add up.

Maybe they figure your average consumer don't have the knowledge or ability to shift weight around like a commercial driver?

Which is a valid concern, how many 5th wheel haulers will/can slide the rear tandem, the fifth wheel, and shift camp gear to the cab to stay legal on all 3 axles?

Flashman
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You are welcome fish my boy.

Just remember there are always ramifications to such bold lying as Ford has been doing.

I wonder where their legal advise was?

FishOnOne
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Flashman wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Flashman wrote:
The next time Ford claims best in class on anything - this articles should be posted.

Cheats and liars.

I am posting this to other forums!

Thanks for sharing Fishy!


No problem Flash... Now go run home and tell your mommy. :B


No not my mommy but I did tell my bother in-law lawyer.

Seems a class action lawsuit payoff may be coming all you Ford fanboys way.

You bought your trucks under false pretenses.

Look at it as a bonus for buying a Ford!


Thanks again... I'll be watching my mailbox! :W
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Flashman
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FishOnOne wrote:
Flashman wrote:
The next time Ford claims best in class on anything - this articles should be posted.

Cheats and liars.

I am posting this to other forums!

Thanks for sharing Fishy!


No problem Flash... Now go run home and tell your mommy. :B


No not my mommy but I did tell my bother in-law lawyer.

Seems a class action lawsuit payoff may be coming all you Ford fanboys way.

You bought your trucks under false pretenses.

Look at it as a bonus for buying a Ford!

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
Flashman wrote:
The next time Ford claims best in class on anything - this articles should be posted.

Cheats and liars.

I am posting this to other forums!

Thanks for sharing Fishy!


No problem Flash... Now go run home and tell your mommy. :B
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Flashman
Explorer II
Explorer II
The next time Ford claims best in class on anything - this articles should be posted.

Cheats and liars.

I am posting this to other forums!

Thanks for sharing Fishy!

8iron
Explorer
Explorer
mkirsch wrote:
We've defined what "lying" is, now define "truth."

I.e., what truck would you consider "truthful" to use as an advertising vehicle when making payload and towing claims?


Yup, we've decided they were lying about payload numbers but what truck should be used?...Obviously a truck that the public can actually buy. The flipside is that anyone buying a truck solely based on claims made by actor voice over in a TV commercial about "Best in class" anything is an idiot.
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Huntindog
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BenK wrote:
As long as buyers blindly believe the 'King of the Hill' towing/cargo/payload/etc
capacities/ratings...the OEM's have no choice other than to use the lowest weight
vehicle as the basis for their ratings...
When you stand back and look at it.... With these HDs rated at 26-30K towing... The little bit of weight shavings that they did doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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BenK
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As long as buyers blindly believe the 'King of the Hill' towing/cargo/payload/etc
capacities/ratings...the OEM's have no choice other than to use the lowest weight
vehicle as the basis for their ratings...
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Fast_Mopar
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ib516 wrote:
Good for them and a good about face. Since GM fessed up and changed their lying ways, Ford had to follow suit.


Agreed.
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mkirsch
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We've defined what "lying" is, now define "truth."

I.e., what truck would you consider "truthful" to use as an advertising vehicle when making payload and towing claims?

Putting 10-ply tires on half ton trucks since aught-four.