GM trucks close gap on ford, almost double ram !!

MARK VANDERBENT wrote:

GM trucks close gap on ford, almost double ram !!
Glad to see those numbers for Silverado and sierra. Starting to see a lot on the roads so makes sense to me. Goodcarbadcar.net shows all numbers. GM still top seller despite bad press over past month.

Not sure about your math, YTD it is more like ram is gaining percentage and numbers! This is how many more units MORE sold this year than last yrar.

Ford + 5,800
Chevy -2,168
RAM 36,532
GMC 7,390
GM Twins +5,227

If Ram can keep posting numbers like they are this year, five more and they will catch Ford!!

Oh, sorry for the YTD the GM Twins are still loosing ground to Ford.
For the month not all that good as you think.
Ford -3,084
Chevy 3,365
Ram 5,459
GMC 2,565

GM Twins 5,930

So Ford lost ground, but the twins were just 10% better than Ram.

rhagfo wrote:

RetSgt7114 wrote:
Honda Ridgeline??? Really?Is that even a real truck?

Don't knock until you have driven one!
Tow rating is 5,000#, moved my youngest daughter to Bolder, CO from Portland, OR towing a tandem axle U-Haul enclosed trailer 4,600#, 3 adults, 2 full size dogs (100#+), and the trunk was full(yes Ridgeline has a TRUNK). That is a distance of 1,200 miles, only time we got pulled down was in the Blue Mountains in eastern Oregon, 45 mph for a short steep climb, still passing semis.

Hard to drive with a bag over your head.

Well-it's going to need to be a 3/4 ton to 1,800 pounds of payload.

Frostbitte wrote:
I've been saying this about the 5.0 Cummins. It would be a waste just to put it into a regular half-ton. It should go into a heavy-half or 2500 series truck. If I had this engine like Nissan an Toyota do now, I'd definitely be placing it in a 3/4 version of the Titan and Tundra. That would definitely steal some customers over as I'm sure there are many who need a 3/4 ton with the power and efficiency of a diesel but somewhere between the 3.0 and a 6.7 but don't want or need a gasser.

Exactly, I pray that Toyota/Nissan are listening to customers about this. I would love a diesel 3/4 ton trunk, but I don't need 400hp and 800 lbs/ft torque, nor do I want to pay the financial price for such a massive engine nor drag around the weight for such a massive engine.

If either of these manufacturers put that 5.0 Cummins with 300 +/- HP and 500 lbs/ft of torque in a truck with 1800 +/- useable payload and 10,000 lbs towing capacity they will have a very capable truck. If they can start it for around $35K for a relatively basic truck, they might have a winner. If they sell well, it might encourage the Big 3 to offer other options for buyers.

There is such a small difference between the current 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks that it doesn't usually make financial sense to buy the 3/4 ton (outside of registration fees for GVWR). They often have the same engine, brakes, frame, rear end, trans, wheels, etc and the only difference is suspension. If they offered a 3/4 ton (8800 lbs GVWR) with a smaller and more efficient diesel engine and lighter and less expensive components than the 1 ton (9,999 lbs GVWR) then they could probably sell more.

I don't need a fire breathing monster 400 hp/850 lbs/ft diesel that has a $8000 upgrade cost and eats into payload by several hundred lbs, nor do I want to pay to feed it. I don't need a frame that supports a payload of 4,000+ lbs. It would be great if more manufacturers offered a vehicle that was designed to handle the 8800 lbs GVWR efficiently and effectively... not de-rate a truck meant to have a 10,800+ lbs GVWR and call it a 3/4 ton.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
The Ram Eco-Diesel may not pull the RV haulers away from GM and Ford 1500 buyers. But it sure will take some of their none RVer sales. If you are only looking to pick up the odd items at the lumber yard or tow a small RV, then the reported 19 MPG towing 7000# can't be beat!

If the 5.0 Cummins used in the late 2015? Nissan and Toyota is only going in a 1500 or 1/2 ton truck that will be a waste. My bet is, they are getting into the 2500 market. If true, then ALL of the big three had better pull their collective heads out of their butt's and start making a diesel that gets better mileage then the currant crop they are selling now!

Don

I've been saying this about the 5.0 Cummins. It would be a waste just to put it into a regular half-ton. It should go into a heavy-half or 2500 series truck. If I had this engine like Nissan an Toyota do now, I'd definitely be placing it in a 3/4 version of the Titan and Tundra. That would definitely steal some customers over as I'm sure there are many who need a 3/4 ton with the power and efficiency of a diesel but somewhere between the 3.0 and a 6.7 but don't want or need a gasser.

Dadoffourgirls wrote:


CKNSLS - Do you believe that pickup drivers are born at birth, buy a pickup at 18, and stay pickup driver for life? Your correlation based on sales increases (including individual records) are only one data point. To determine if RAM is conquesting Silverado sales, you would have to define conquest and measure. For me, a conqest is if a register owner of a Silverado registers a new RAM and another individual registers that same Silverado. If the Silverado owner retains their vehicle, it would not be a conquest.

I am just trying to educate inidividuals on the complexity of the auto industry, and data analysis including correlation.

Thanks for driving a Silverado.

A "conquest sale" does not require the buyer to turn in or sell their current vehicle. Anytime I give out a "Friends & Family" discount number, one of the questions is "Trade in Vehicle" if none then "Current Vehicle". This is to track any and all "conquest sales". Not sure if I can find out the numbers for the Rams but I'll try.

Don

rhagfo wrote:

Don't knock until you have driven one!
Tow rating is 5,000#,

Yes, but with a restriction that use of a WD hitch is not recommended. That keeps it in pop-up towing category. Also, the Ridgeline for its size, its got a very small bed and still doesn't get much better mileage than my Sierra. And its not all that much cheaper either. For the money and capability one would be better off with a 1/2 ton crew cab.

CKNSLS wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
Actually if you check the numbers you will find that GM (Chevy/GMC) have a combined year to date sales gain of 1.68%
Ford has a year to date gain of 1.9%.
Ram has a year to date gain of 21.4%.

Year to date
Ford - 305,265
GM twins - 274,945
Ram - 170,711

May sales
Ford - 68,520
GM twins - 64,074
Ram - 37,131

Ford has still outgained the GM twins slightly for the year. Chevy has a net loss of sales for the year to date and is only boosted by the GMC. Ram is soaring and gaining rapidly on both.

For the month of May the GM numbers look good. But not yet the "top seller".

RAM is getting "conquest sales" with growth numbers like that. At the expense of mostly GM.

Can you please quote your source of "conquest sales" and methodology to calculate? Was it that there previous new truck was GM? Was it that there previous new vehicle was GM? Was it if they owned a GM truck (purchased used)?

Until you provide your source, I will just believe that this is CKNSLS internet babble!

RAM-hasn't released this information. When you have one brand seeing record increases and one brand going "sideways" in sales it's not hard to see. You have heard that GM ordered a emergency redesign in their new Chevrolet trucks-haven't you? They see the same thing I am saying and I have read where Chevy dealers are telling them they have lost sales to RAM.

In the mean time believe what you want while you watch RAM sales go through the roof.

BTW-this is coming from a Silverado owner.

CKNSLS - Do you believe that pickup drivers are born at birth, buy a pickup at 18, and stay pickup driver for life? Your correlation based on sales increases (including individual records) are only one data point. To determine if RAM is conquesting Silverado sales, you would have to define conquest and measure. For me, a conqest is if a register owner of a Silverado registers a new RAM and another individual registers that same Silverado. If the Silverado owner retains their vehicle, it would not be a conquest.

I am just trying to educate inidividuals on the complexity of the auto industry, and data analysis including correlation.

Thanks for driving a Silverado.

mpierce wrote:
It would be interesting to see, since this is a towing forum, the stats on the Heavy Duty pickups only. Leave the 1/2 tons outs. Give individual 3/4 t and 1 t stats. Does anyone have recent stats?

Since the OEMs do not provide this information publicly, the only source is data companies like JD Power, IHS (Polk), and others. However, they have very specific use contracts for this data, that prevent public display of the data. There was somebody who estimated this data for 2013. They had some differences from actual.

It would be interesting to see, since this is a towing forum, the stats on the Heavy Duty pickups only. Leave the 1/2 tons outs. Give individual 3/4 t and 1 t stats. Does anyone have recent stats?