Heard thru grape vine Suburban 2500 in 2016!!

Suburban 3500 Fleet Order only. Order guide available. 11000 pounds GVWR! That's something like 4000 pounds payload for a loaded LT. Take 1000 pounds off for armored conversion, 800 for Duraburb conversion. Looks like standard GM HD 6.0L/6-spd/4.10 axle. Tow rating is only 6000 pounds. :(

BurbMan wrote:
The rear axle on the burb is rated at 6084, exactly twice the 3042 lb max load of 245/75-16E tires. I went to 265 tires that are rated at 3470 each, giving me an additional 856 lbs of axle rating, since AAM rates the axle at 10k lbs.

If I had time I would draw a Venn diagram, but basically:

Circle #1 is people that tow a trailer, most drive a crew cab pickup
Circle #2 is families that are big enough to need a 3rd row, most drive a minivan.

The overlap area is families that are large enough to need a 3rd row and also tow a trailer. Overlap area is veeerryyy small compared to the overall market.

Maybe the market would be better for an HD Escalade ESV?

This is our dilemma. We need a 3 row vehicle for family duty, and need a TV, but couldn't afford a new Suburban let alone a new 2500 if one were to arrive. They have approached ridiculousness in price, and *start* at $50k now. That is some serious coin for a family big enough to need the space.

I love our 2500, but it's a bit rough around the edges for DW to daily drive it. I think we're leaning towards an Explorer for nearly half the price for family duty and sticking to old Smoggy for TV duty. I would love to just have one vehicle do both.

hawkeye-08 wrote:
I would expect it would need to be a 3500 to pull decent sized trailer and be loaded with people and gear...

The "3500" is a meaningless badge number on the side of the truck. What matters are the specs, GVWR,GAWR, etc. In any case there is not a huge difference between the 2500 and 3500 trucks in SRW configuration. In some models and years the only difference is the door sticker.

The rear axle on the burb is rated at 6084, exactly twice the 3042 lb max load of 245/75-16E tires. I went to 265 tires that are rated at 3470 each, giving me an additional 856 lbs of axle rating, since AAM rates the axle at 10k lbs.

If I had time I would draw a Venn diagram, but basically:

Circle #1 is people that tow a trailer, most drive a crew cab pickup
Circle #2 is families that are big enough to need a 3rd row, most drive a minivan.

The overlap area is families that are large enough to need a 3rd row and also tow a trailer. Overlap area is veeerryyy small compared to the overall market.

Maybe the market would be better for an HD Escalade ESV?

Tystevens wrote:
I would like to see a 3/4 ton Suburban with ratings along the lines of the 2500HD pickups. I'd love to see one with that could legitimately handle an 11,000 lb trailer with a family of 6 inside. Hopefully with a diesel under the hood! That's probably what it would take to get me really interested, because that is what we need.

I concede, however, that the market for such a vehicle is probably quite small. So I'm not holding my breath.

Agreed anything shy of these ratings is a waste of time.

What's that he got out of to get into the bus? A 3/4 ton Burb with armory treatment. Check out those windows.

I believe the 2500 Sub is obsolete due to low take rate and plus the cafe standard doesn't help either.

Bedlam wrote:

Even the current vehicle has some high centering issues:

LOL
I quote google
"The car, worth over $1million, is 18ft in length, weighs 8 tons and has 8in thick armour plating on its doors. When the President is riding in one, the vehicle is officially known as Cadillac One. However, it's more apt nickname is 'The Beast'."

That thing weighs as much as two of my trucks :B

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

BurbMan wrote:
Just read where it might be a 3500 Suburban...possibly 9200 or higher GVWR, which would make it a killer SUV!! Would eat into some of the HD crew cab market for sure!

How big of a step up would this be. Was the 2500 sub light. dosen't seem like a 9200 gvwr would leave a lot of payload.

My '08 2500 has a curb weight of 6500, giving it a max payload (according to the door sticker) of 2088 lbs. According to the door sticker, the rear axle (10.5 full floater) is rated to 5500 lbs, and the front axle is rated at 4180. So, in theory, the only thing limiting my GVWR to 8600 is the braking system. 5500+4180 = 9680. Based on axle capacities, it seems there's quite a bit of room to increase GVWR keeping the rest of the components the same.

I believe American Axle rates this rear axle at 8600 lbs, so the tires are the limiting factor in this application. E tires are rated to ~3000 lbs each.

I'm pretty sure Duraburb uses the 9200-gvwr braking system to upgrade payloads on their modded trucks.

Upgrade the brakes and tires, and you could theoretically have a GVWR approacing 10,000 lbs, without much gain in the curb weight. I would buy a 2016 Burb with a 3,000-lb payload and 9500-lb GVWR in a split second. Shut up and take my money.

But again,not holding my breath.

3klb payload would be pushing it. Our 2500HD CCSB has about 2750lbs payload per the door sticker.

Will be interesting to see what happens!

I look forward to seeing these. We don't need much in our TV, but middle row captain seats would be nice.