How much pin weight?

[Neal_B_]

I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD, duramax, allison. Is 1615lbs. to much pin weight for this truck? I am considering a new 5th wheel and was concerned about this.

[blt2ski]

CWSWine wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
That is GM's OFFICIAL position from a warranty position too! LEGAL from a LEO/CVEO is a totally different standard. Legal from a civil court, is also a different standard.



Marty

Here is a advertisement from a Lawyer wanting RV accidents that are over the GVWR. so I guess it is the same.

Lawyer that wants RV cases over GVWR

At least here in the NW states, I have yet to run into an LEO or CVEO that looks at tire, axel or spring rates from a legal how much you can weigh standpoint. Most its 20K per axel, with limitations based on tire width, ie min 500lbs per inch width of tire. Or the paid for license amount. I've been weighed multiple time upwards of 150% of door sticker amount, and have yet to get an overweight ticket. That is not to say that said CVEO could not have put me to the side of the road with some other infraction.....bt from a weight standpoint, chances of you literally getting a ticket is slim. I doubt the OP is going to have upwards of 9500-10K lbs on his truck axels. Even if he was close to that amount, he would not be in a lot of trouble. WHat would probably screw him up the most, brakes. THAT kind of field failure can cause you to have a major moving violation vs over weigh a non moving following your license ticket. Rig is red tagged and can not move until brakes are fixed on site, ie side of road, or towed/carried off the road to a place that can fix ha-ha the brakes. Being overweight from a true LAW standpoint is nothing to worry about.....its the OTHER things to worry about.

Reality is, the LEO/CVEO has to work with a true black and white rule. The Civil court can work with some gray in the middle. An ambulance chasing attorney ONLY sees GRAY! and the manufacture from a warrenty standpoint also only sees black and white. Their black and white is different than the LEO black and white. At the end of the day, ALL 4 folks, see things differently. Question is, which do you want to worry about the most?

Marty

[rhagfo]

JIMNLIN wrote:

Most 2500HD until recent years had LT245/75R16E's rated at 3042 pounds each, so I do not see how they had a 6200 RGAWR?

Some time in the "00 era GM as Dodge went with the LT265/70-17" E at or LT245/75-16 E tires both at 3195 lbs x two = 6390 lb capacity. Dodge went to the 17" wheels/tires in '03.

The OP truck may have the old 6084 RAWR which gives him a whoppin' 116 lb less payload on the trucks rear axle :@.

To be legal/safe and avoid lawsuits Just stay under the trucks tire/wheel or spring pack ratings (RAWR) as its going to be carrying most if not all the load.

Ram also offered an optional 265/75-16 E at 3,415# capacity which would yield 6,830# max rear axle rating.

[JIMNLIN]

Most 2500HD until recent years had LT245/75R16E's rated at 3042 pounds each, so I do not see how they had a 6200 RGAWR?

Some time in the "00 era GM as Dodge went with the LT265/70-17" E at or LT245/75-16 E tires both at 3195 lbs x two = 6390 lb capacity. Dodge went to the 17" wheels/tires in '03.

The OP truck may have the old 6084 RAWR which gives him a whoppin' 116 lb less payload on the trucks rear axle :@.

To be legal/safe and avoid lawsuits Just stay under the trucks tire/wheel or spring pack ratings (RAWR) as its going to be carrying most if not all the load.

[CWSWine]

blt2ski wrote:
That is GM's OFFICIAL position from a warranty position too! LEGAL from a LEO/CVEO is a totally different standard. Legal from a civil court, is also a different standard.



Marty

Here is a advertisement from a Lawyer wanting RV accidents that are over the GVWR. so I guess it is the same.

Lawyer that wants RV cases over GVWR

[blt2ski]

That is GM's OFFICIAL position from a warranty position too! LEGAL from a LEO/CVEO is a totally different standard. Legal from a civil court, is also a different standard.

From my use of sadi truck, assuming I still had 4 teenage adult sized kids, that 5w would put me overweight in more ways than one. Then again, my family of 6 came in weighing in the 1300 lbs relm as noted when they were teens. Add in 1300 to 1600 and you are close to 3000 lbs of net payload needed. It is probably there, but reality is, one will be bottoming out the rear axel with this much weight in the truck in many conditions. as such, from experience, I will not recommend one have this much wt in a GM 2500 series crew cab truck with a 6000 lb or there about RA. A single wheel with the 6400 lb rating might work......but reality is, you will want something in the 7000 lb plus ra capacity to do what I would do all the time.

Like ALL things great and small, you mileage and what you can or can not do with a given rig, is up to you to figure out.

Marty

[CWSWine]

Here is 3hat GM states as facts but most the people on here believe that the manufacture are clueless about payloads. Most people use the seat of their pants ratings for there truck ratings.

Here is what GM says as their official/legal position.

GM offical position on GVWR/Payload

[GoPackGo]

Neal B. wrote:
I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD, duramax, allison. Is 1615lbs. to much pin weight for this truck? I am considering a new 5th wheel and was concerned about this.

Just making sure -

Generally, pin weight is figured as 20 percent of the fiver's GVWR, not 20 percent of the dry weight. So you're saying that the GVWR of the new fifth wheel is less then 8100 pounds ?

[GA2500HD]

All the models have 6084 on the rear axle up until maybe 2014, 2015 they changed to the 6200.

[IdaD]

chiefcamper wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

Neal B. wrote:
I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD, duramax, allison. Is 1615lbs. to much pin weight for this truck? I am considering a new 5th wheel and was concerned about this.

GM gives their 2500 trucks a 6200 RAWR.
The '02 2500 can weigh in the 2800 lb range which leaves you with around 3200 lbs for a payload
RAWR can be the lessor of tires/wheels/rear spring pack. Never exceed a drive or steer axle/tire load ratings and you will fine.

This is just plain wrong. There is no 2500HD that has a payload capacity of 6200lbs. You are forgetting the truck already has weight to it, somewhere around 6800lbs with an overall gvw of 9500-9900lbs.

My 2500HD has a payload capacity of 2853lbs as listed on the yellow sticker. I am not saying you cannot pull the 5'er, yours is a 2002 could be a totally different animal but you cannot go by what the axle can take from the pin weight, it already has weight on it!

You misread what he said - his post is correct.

[Me_Again]

JIMNLIN wrote:

Neal B. wrote:
I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD, duramax, allison. Is 1615lbs. to much pin weight for this truck? I am considering a new 5th wheel and was concerned about this.

GM gives their 2500 trucks a 6200 RAWR.
The '02 2500 can weigh in the 2800 lb range which leaves you with around 3200 lbs for a payload
RAWR can be the lessor of tires/wheels/rear spring pack. Never exceed a drive or steer axle/tire load ratings and you will fine.

Most 2500HD until recent years had LT245/75R16E's rated at 3042 pounds each, so I do not see how they had a 6200 RGAWR? These tires are mounted on narrow 6.5" wheels that are not wide enough to meet the approved wheel width for LT265/75R16E rated at 3415 pounds.

RGAWR is 6084 pounds matching the tires. https://www.driverside.com/specs/chevrolet-silverado_2500hd-2002-3644-7606-0

If going to 265 one really should source wider rims. Here is a picture of a 265 on the narrow GM wheel. I am surprised that tire shops do this. It takes away from sidewall strength, leads to wear issues and can cause stability issues. Chris

[nevadanick]

Reread what JimLin said as he is correct.

[chiefcamper]

JIMNLIN wrote:

Neal B. wrote:
I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD, duramax, allison. Is 1615lbs. to much pin weight for this truck? I am considering a new 5th wheel and was concerned about this.

GM gives their 2500 trucks a 6200 RAWR.
The '02 2500 can weigh in the 2800 lb range which leaves you with around 3200 lbs for a payload
RAWR can be the lessor of tires/wheels/rear spring pack. Never exceed a drive or steer axle/tire load ratings and you will fine.

This is just plain wrong. There is no 2500HD that has a payload capacity of 6200lbs. You are forgetting the truck already has weight to it, somewhere around 6800lbs with an overall gvw of 9500-9900lbs.

My 2500HD has a payload capacity of 2853lbs as listed on the yellow sticker. I am not saying you cannot pull the 5'er, yours is a 2002 could be a totally different animal but you cannot go by what the axle can take from the pin weight, it already has weight on it!

[Neal_B_]

Thanks everyone!

[ramyankee]

I have a 2002 Silverado 2500hd, 8.1 and my pin weight is about 2040#...