Hi folks. We have found a trailer floorplan that we very much like in the Evergreen i-Go 245 RKDS. I found a 2015 model at a dealer about 2 hours away and they seem very motivated to give me a good price as the 2016s are coming in.I haven't yet seen the trailer in person to check the listed spec sticker, but the Evergreen site lists this model as having a cargo carrying capacity of only 488 pounds. This seems like a mistake to me but I wanted to check with you folks to see if this is indeed possible. If true, what could cause it to have such a low ccc. The specs are listed below, with such a difference in the dry weight vs the GCWR, does this seem right? Total Dry Weight* (UVW): 5,052 Dry Hitch Weight* (LBS): 656 GVWR* (LBS) 6,495 Fresh Water Capacity (GAL): 36 Gray Water Tank Capacity (GAL): 58 Black Water Tank Capacity (GAL): 29 LP Capacity (LBS): 40 Cargo Carrying Capacity* (LBS) 488 Overall Length: 27' 3" Height (including A/C): 11' 1" Width: 8' 1" Bed Size: 60x80 Awning Length: 18' Tire Size: ST205/75R14-C

When you add Water, LP, A/C, spare tire and other options then Yes it could be that low.

Does dry weight include the propane? It's only a concern depending on how you plan to travel. Full water? Then you need to account for 300 lbs of water. Plan to haul around your gray water? Another 500 lbs. Haul a full tank of poo? Another 250 lbs. unless you plan on boon docking and hauling full tanks then should not be a problem. Staying at campground with full hookups or even a dump station you should be able to make this work.

subtract the dry weight from the GVWRThat gives you a total of 1443 lbs of stuff.Some of that stuff will be water at about 8 lbs a gallon equals abut 290 lbs. 40 lbs of propane, maybe grey or black water, a spare tire and even the leveling jacks if an option etc you have the remainder for your stuff.

Our last TT had lots and lots of storage space and a CCC of 888, which was abysmally low for long trips; I have no doubt we overloaded it from time to time, as we did take trips in it that lasted 5 weeks or more. If you're not planning on long trips, or living in the trailer, and if you are very careful how much you load into it, you can make it work. But if you are leery of that low a capacity, you may want to move on and consider another unit.

Have the seller email you a photo of the actual sticker.

Is such a low cargo carrying capacity possible?

rbpru
Explorer II
Oct 01, 2015
If I do the math, the allowable gross TT weight exceeds the axle weigh. It appear the difference is to be accounted for by the tongue weight.

Fortunately the CAT scales shows my loaded TT weigh is far below the axle rating.
Stars101
Explorer
Sep 30, 2015
While yours was a misprint I have definitely seen many TT's that have very, very low CCC. You have to be aware when you are shopping. We found many trailers we loved - storage cabinets galore! Then did the math and realized that it was practically overloaded when accounting for wet weight and options...

No good having a bazillion cabinets if I can't even carry 3 cans of soup before I'm overweight LOL.
hohenwald48
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
It seems that so many manufacturers try to get by with the bare minimums when it comes to components.

My Open Range 216 has two #4400 axles and Load range D 15" tires. That results in a trailer that has a gross cargo capacity of nearly #3000. That's on a TT with a 22'7" box length. More than a foot shorter than the Evergreen the OP is looking at.

I suppose I could load it up to the point that I couldn't even tow it with my TV. Point is I won't do that but really like having the extra capacity as a cushion for safety. I really wouldn't want to be running around having to worry if my next bag of ice or stop at the grocery store would put us over the GVWR.
ktmrfs
Explorer II
Sep 29, 2015
hohenwald48 wrote:
I wonder how manufacturers come up with GVWR. It seems that if the axles are the limiting factor and you have 2 #3500 axles the GVWR would be #7000. 4 load range C tires have a total capacity of #7040. I just wonder how they come up with a GVWR of #6495 in the first place? Anybody know how that's figured?

axles aren't always the limiting factor on GVWR. they place an UPPER limit, but the frame and other construction details can also come into play.

And then looking at some brands, I believe the "1/2 ton towable" comes into play with GVWR. 10,000+ lbs GVWR which with 5200lbs axles and LRE tires is VERY possible and "1/2 ton towable" really don't play well together for advertizing.
ktmrfs
Explorer II
Sep 29, 2015
if your tanks are empty you have about 1400lbs of CCC. If your fresh/grey/black tanks are full, yes your down to about 400lbs.

and if you think you'll never travel with full black/grey/tanks and some water in the fresh tank, I guess your an entirely different camper than we are.
D_E_Bishop
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
If you think that is bad, try this, 31' Motorhome, CCC of just under 500lbs. Subtract an additional 200lbs for actual passenger weights. Less than 300lbs for all our stuff.
danimal53
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
my guess is that low number is assuming full tank of fresh water. roughly matches my numbers, can hold about 700lbs, but 33 gallons of fresh water takes up over 250lbs. so left with 450ish CCC

aaaaand just read the rest about the misprint.

but my numbers are pretty low, but then again my TT is pretty small. I've been very careful about weighing everything that goes in, and have found we haven't really been that close to CCC limit. maybe we just pack light?
hohenwald48
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
I wonder how manufacturers come up with GVWR. It seems that if the axles are the limiting factor and you have 2 #3500 axles the GVWR would be #7000. 4 load range C tires have a total capacity of #7040. I just wonder how they come up with a GVWR of #6495 in the first place? Anybody know how that's figured?
OttawaDon
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
Thanks for the input folks, appreciate it. It does look like a misprint that has carried through to the dealer. I contacted the salesman to verify with the sticker on the specific trailer. I don't have a picture but he said the sticker gives it a ccc of 1357 pounds.

This seems much more in line with what I would expect. I think it's a misprint by Evergreen but I'm going to contact them just to be on the safe side. 488 pounds ccc would be a deal breaker for me.
SoundGuy
Explorer
Sep 29, 2015
2012Coleman wrote:
I looked that model up on Evergreen's website, and it indeed does have a CCC of 488 lbs. However, other models in the IGO series have CCC's over 1,000 lbs. Maybe a misprint? I'd contact Evergreen and ask.

Too funny ... or more accurately, scary. :E These I-GO models seem to be wearing the same tires so my bet is this is axle related ... geez, and this presumably doesn't even include the weight of any of the listed options for this model or what the manufacturer calls their "Pro Package". Yeah, I'd be looking for clarity from the manufacturer on just how much CCC this particular model would really have as it left the factory, equipped as it is.