Issues with Evergreen TTs?
I have called a couple of Evergreen dealers and they said that they will stop carrying them. Anyone know of any problems with them?
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miltvill wrote:
The Evergreen Everlite now has a wood roof. Making it no longer %100 wood free. Not sure how well the product line was selling.
It was never 100% wood free. There has always been OSB in the slides....
Their quote is the main coach is wood free, not the entire trailer.- The wood in the Evergreen Everlite was required by the TPO roof manufacturer for proper adhesion of the roof. See these comments from Evergreen on the question. The change had nothing to do with pricing or cost.
"That is the only sheet of plywood and it is needed in order to get the correct adhesion and strength for the TPO roof membrane. Our TPO supplier (http://www.carlislesyntec.com/ ) required this starting 3 years ago.
"Since we vacuum laminate the roof skin to the roof sheeting with urethane adhesive, which becomes waterproof when it cures, the wood is completed sealed off. There is really no way for moisture to get to that roof sheeting. We have had no issues at all. This is also creates a very strong roof you and a couple people can walk on it. That is not the case with many other brands" westend wrote:
I'd suggest you forget about that "Green" rating company. They seem to be in the business of rubber-stamping Mfg's that pay the price to have their stamp on the exterior.
It sounds to me that you are sensitive to certain materials that off-gas when new. This would be the plastics, adhesives, and materials woven with organic hydrocarbons. Most of this problem should go away with ventilation and time. You could always buy some odor absorbers to get over the initial time that it takes for the materials to off-gas. At least the odors would be under control so you aren't reminded continually that it is occurring. An alternative would be to buy something used as the off-gassing has already dissipated.
I can believe it now...about the TRA ratings. What a disillusioning experience! Yes, we have pretty much decided to buy used....for many reasons.- I'd suggest you forget about that "Green" rating company. They seem to be in the business of rubber-stamping Mfg's that pay the price to have their stamp on the exterior.
It sounds to me that you are sensitive to certain materials that off-gas when new. This would be the plastics, adhesives, and materials woven with organic hydrocarbons. Most of this problem should go away with ventilation and time. You could always buy some odor absorbers to get over the initial time that it takes for the materials to off-gas. At least the odors would be under control so you aren't reminded continually that it is occurring. An alternative would be to buy something used as the off-gassing has already dissipated. - FWIW....we finally had the chance to see some Evergreens. We saw an I-Go and a Bay Hill fifth wheel...I regret to say that although the decor was definitely beautiful....our taste more than any other brand that we have seen so far....in terms of being "green" in the indoor air quality department (which has the highest rating of emerald)...we were not impressed, as we could smell more odors in the Evergreens than the Coachmen, which only garnered a "gold" rating. Especially in the bathroom, which had a really strong odor that made my head swim and then my stomach began to hurt shortly thereafter. We were only in the fifth wheel for less than 20 minutes.
In every other way, we really liked the design, the layout, and almost everything was very thoughtfully laid out. And the fit and finish was quite nice. Prices were very high new...out of our targeted budget range. But, if we could find a used one for less, we would buy it. However, we have not come across any used ones on RV Trader. Gdetrailer wrote:
pasusan wrote:
MookieKat wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone gave the advice yet to buy your first RV used. As a general rule you really don't know what you want until you've experienced what you don't want. Many people trade lots of times before they get what they really like. We had a few before we found the one that is perfect for us. And it's a bit over 15 years old. ;)
Why do people not keep it for 15 years? I would not like to have to spend more time, energy, and money shopping for a new one. I would like to keep one until I am too old to want to travel.
What is entry level and what is the solid level? At our age, we do not have the years to be buying entry levels (if that means 18') and trading up later on....
We would really like to buy something that we will be happy with for as long as the trailer will last.
Good luck!
X2
This IS SOLID advice.
You have started so many threads you can't possibly keep track of them let alone make any wise choice. To me it seams like you are driving yourself crazy over this.
Please read my FULL response to your paneling/wallpaper question thread HERE
But I will repeat what sort of pertains to this thread and perhaps a few of your other threads you have started as well.
"..Mookiecat, wow, you have managed to post enough times in just a few days to reach "senior" status.. I haven't read much of your posts but just from skimming a few I think you need to go to a few dealers and simply start kicking tires.
Many of your questions you will be able to answer simply by going, looking, touching. Pretty hard to do from a keyboard or looking at floor plans in brochures.
When you PHYSICALLY can be in the RV then you will bet a better sense of the space, decor and functionality of the layout.
Many manufacturers will offer SEVERAL color/decor choices in the same floor plan. CHOOSE the color/decor of the plan that you can "live with". Keeping in mind that there is no rules that state that you must keep the curtains/window treatments or even the bed covers. These things CAN be changed easily and at a rather low cost if you are handy.
Basically unless you are planning to full time or live out of the RV for long periods of time I would not worry so much about decor. We rarely spend much time inside, instead we are outside much of the time and inside for sleeping."
In all honesty please don't get "stuck" on brands, quality and such especially when it comes to "reviews" and other folks "opinions" which tend to be BASED on one product, model and or design.
People tend to come to forums like this to COMPLAIN, for every complaint of each manufacturer brand and models there is most likely THOUSANDS if not TEN THOUSANDS of HAPPY and fully satisfied owners which DO NOT POST nor REVIEW about their RV.
Quality IS SUBJECTIVE, one persons trash is another ones "treasure", GO to some dealers near you and WALK THROUGH THE TRAILERS. You can not and will not "find" your "perfect" trailer from the keyboard.
As far as one brand lasting longer than another, forget about it. Unless the trailer has been MAINTAINED BY YOU even the most expensive trailer WILL rot apart. There are MANY, MANY 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s trailers STILL in use today. ALL built using basic and simple framing methods. Granted there are a lot that are no longer with us, but often they were simply neglected.
You come across in a critical, judgmental, and condescending way, which seems to discourage people from feeling free to ask questions.
I have had absolutely no problems keeping up with my topics and posts, since there is a list of them under "my forums," and it tells me how many new posts there are, not to mention the email notices I receive, since I am subscribed to all of them. Perhaps you are not aware of those features?
We have done keyboard shopping mostly, as the dealers are 45 miles from our house and we have had much work to do, so unable to break away until an opportune time. Also, we were advised by many on this forum to shop online first and then go look. It has been time-saving to do so, as we have been able to eliminate certain units due to having seem them online before-hand. Surely, you did not think that we would only shop online?
As for confusion, no, not confused at all. All of my posts and everyone's supportive helpfulness has helped us to look at other options besides TTs. The discourses have steered us toward exploring 5'ers now. We are still exploring, but the ceiling height and more space is attractive to us. We have just started researching since I joined this form, which has not been long, so we are making fast progress in this journey toward our first RV purchase, due to helpful advice on this forum.
Everyone has different priorities. Decor is obviously not yours, but not everyone is like you. You cannot use yourself as the standard to judge everyone else by. Decor is important for us both, as we are both artists (visual people) and have strong preferences...so much so that if we buy used, we will change out the furniture and the draperies, the flooring and the carpet. I am glad that I posted about changing wall paper, because the other posters have shown us that this is not advisable, so we need to choose something that we can live with. Decor is also important for us both, as it will be our home for a while, while we live in it for quite some time, while we get our house remodeled and again in CA for 6 months or so, while we check out some areas that we may want to move to.
I would appreciate it if you would quit harping about my many posts. One learns by asking questions and researching. We have learned so much and become so much wiser in a very short time because of the questions and the generosity of the forum members taking time out of their busy day to assist us. We are ever grateful to those people for their patience with us, as we have explored the TT segment of RVs!pasusan wrote:
MookieKat wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone gave the advice yet to buy your first RV used. As a general rule you really don't know what you want until you've experienced what you don't want. Many people trade lots of times before they get what they really like. We had a few before we found the one that is perfect for us. And it's a bit over 15 years old. ;)
Why do people not keep it for 15 years? I would not like to have to spend more time, energy, and money shopping for a new one. I would like to keep one until I am too old to want to travel.
What is entry level and what is the solid level? At our age, we do not have the years to be buying entry levels (if that means 18') and trading up later on....
We would really like to buy something that we will be happy with for as long as the trailer will last.
Good luck!
X2
This IS SOLID advice.
You have started so many threads you can't possibly keep track of them let alone make any wise choice. To me it seams like you are driving yourself crazy over this.
Please read my FULL response to your paneling/wallpaper question thread HERE
But I will repeat what sort of pertains to this thread and perhaps a few of your other threads you have started as well.
"..Mookiecat, wow, you have managed to post enough times in just a few days to reach "senior" status.. I haven't read much of your posts but just from skimming a few I think you need to go to a few dealers and simply start kicking tires.
Many of your questions you will be able to answer simply by going, looking, touching. Pretty hard to do from a keyboard or looking at floor plans in brochures.
When you PHYSICALLY can be in the RV then you will bet a better sense of the space, decor and functionality of the layout.
Many manufacturers will offer SEVERAL color/decor choices in the same floor plan. CHOOSE the color/decor of the plan that you can "live with". Keeping in mind that there is no rules that state that you must keep the curtains/window treatments or even the bed covers. These things CAN be changed easily and at a rather low cost if you are handy.
Basically unless you are planning to full time or live out of the RV for long periods of time I would not worry so much about decor. We rarely spend much time inside, instead we are outside much of the time and inside for sleeping."
In all honesty please don't get "stuck" on brands, quality and such especially when it comes to "reviews" and other folks "opinions" which tend to be BASED on one product, model and or design.
People tend to come to forums like this to COMPLAIN, for every complaint of each manufacturer brand and models there is most likely THOUSANDS if not TEN THOUSANDS of HAPPY and fully satisfied owners which DO NOT POST nor REVIEW about their RV.
Quality IS SUBJECTIVE, one persons trash is another ones "treasure", GO to some dealers near you and WALK THROUGH THE TRAILERS. You can not and will not "find" your "perfect" trailer from the keyboard.
As far as one brand lasting longer than another, forget about it. Unless the trailer has been MAINTAINED BY YOU even the most expensive trailer WILL rot apart. There are MANY, MANY 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s trailers STILL in use today. ALL built using basic and simple framing methods. Granted there are a lot that are no longer with us, but often they were simply neglected.- I have owned and maintained two campers before my Everlite both others had to have water damage repair by the time you see a leak there is rot. I think that you don't see any old travel trailers at parks because they all have been junked by 15 years old. Mine has no wood 1115 in production run great trailers company has always been great to work with and have listened if I had a problem. I think dealers can't service everlites because they are made so different
BroncosFan wrote:
miltvill wrote:
The Evergreen Everlite now has a wood roof. Making it no longer %100 wood free. Not sure how well the product line was selling.
Can you share your source of info? Here is their website, scroll down to
"Roof construction"
Thanks
http://www.goevergreenrv.com/page/70/ComposiTekTM-Construction
Or are you talking about the Number 9 substrate in their brochure under Roof. Maybe that's it, if so they need to update their site. I also see composite side walls are listed as an option. Also says 12yr roof warranty but i wonder if that covers the wood underneath the roof? or just the top of the roof?
http://www.goevergreenrv.com/files/34429_Everlite.pdf
I talked to the factory rep at the 2013 Tampa RV show. Yes Number 9 in their brochure says plywood substrate. I like the older Evergreen Everlite better then the 2013. I also noticed other things that changed my mind about the new Evergreen Everlite. If the price for their TT was lower then it would not matter as much. The product line was introduced with a lot of advertisement and talk with people in white lab coats checking the TT's systems out. They were on my short list.
