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Joining the eco boost club

manley
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Barring a dealer reneg, I’ll be joining the Eco Boost club in the morning with a 2018 Max trailering F150. After much careful deliberation, I couldn’t make the F250 fit my circumstances. Y’all feel free to tell me what an awful mistake I’ve made.
2021 F250 XLT FX4 SCREW Godzilla 7.3L
Hensley Arrow
2017 Open Range Light 272RLS
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Samsonsworld
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Nevermind. You're talking scale weights. I'm with you.

mhamershock
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Samsonsworld wrote:
How do you figure 15,500?


~7500 for the trailer and ~7600 for the truck. Prob closer to 15,000 but I didn't scale it for this trip. I often scale on the way out since there's a DMV scale on my usual route.

Samsonsworld
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Too many complaints about the 2017 brakes, too. You guys be careful and give yourself lots of space.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/F-150/2017/brakes/

Samsonsworld
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How do you figure 15,500?

mhamershock
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Maury82 wrote:
Samsonsworld wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything but stopping. That's one of the reasons I went to a F250. My 2013 F150 stops faster unloaded but struggled stopping my trailer. I had a couple of those fit hit the shan moments and blew through a red light one time. I was lucky nobody was coming from the side. I even had the trailer brakes checked after that and I was told they work fine. The F250 will shut it down much quicker in my experience, at least when you're standing on the brake pedal. Again, my experience. Your mileage may vary. And I realize I could have upgraded some things to make the F150 work better but I also knew the truck was going to one of my kiddos. Didn't see much point in spending the money.


I was just wondering about that.

I also wonder whether ford uses different brake pad materials for the various towing ratings, or whether all f150 get the best braking for the entire line.

Braking performance is one area I've always had to improve on my Hondas because of soft rotors that warped within 30 days, and had poor braking when passengers were on board.

I've already priced high performance slotted rotors and pads, because you can't go wrong with better braking.


I had to do my first serious panic stop with this truck (18 3.5 HDPP 6.5 bed) just last week while towing 7500 lbs with the GVW at about 15,500. All because of some moron pulling out in front of me (where the @$$hat actually stopped in my lane after pulling out in confusion about WTF they were doing!!!!) I was running 55 at the time and I saw it coming, but was not expecting them to actually stop. I really had to stomp on it for 10-15 seconds.

I was absolutely shocked at how fast, hard, and straight the rig stopped. I figured I was gonna hit them or end up in the ditch for sure, and neither happened. I'm not even sure I got into ABS. I, too was looking at brake upgrades (SS lines are always 1st for me and every car/bike I have has them) but after this I don't think I'm going to until the brakes need work.

Mike

Samsonsworld
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It appears Ford was under investigation by the NHTSA for 2013-2016 F150 braking issues. Maybe they got it fixed?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/10/04/nhtsa-ford-f-150-brake-investigation/91537182/

BenK
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troubledwaters wrote:
snip....
All vehicles, including a F150, have to meet the same NHTSA braking requirements.


You forgot to mention that they are different from class to class vehicles...otherwise your statement might confuse someone who is NOT fimilar with technical stuff to think NHTSA has them all stop the same...

Found this image years ago to illustrate that difference...yes, they all stop to the NHTSA spec...but they are different from class vehicle to class vehicle

Does anyone know if these distances are for GVWR or CURB or average weight of each class? :B All things with a rating and for performance charts like this...are at maximum conditions...AKA at GVWR

-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...

Samsonsworld
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You'd need a CDL for one thing. And they cost an awful lot. And having a sleeper available at work probably isn't the best idea, though it sure does sound good about right now. 😉

troubledwaters
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Threebigfords wrote:

This is exactly what I mean by keeping it real. Why on earth would you assume that an F150 would stop faster than the
F250 towing the same weight? Part of the reason the F250 has a higher tow rating is it's braking ability.

By your logic, a 6.7l ...F250 should be a better at towing 10k lbs then my 6.7l F450 because it's lighter, has better power to weight ratio, and can probably stop faster when empty...
Then why aren't you towing with a class 8, that will stop way faster then a F250 towing 10,000 lbs.?
All vehicles, including a F150, have to meet the same NHTSA braking requirements.

Maury82
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What I mean by that, is once you start towing at 80% of its ratings, which is over 10k lbs, that engine is going to be singing a high note. That won't hurt anything, but it has towing capacity higher than the EB, weighs more, while producing its torque and horse power at a higher engine RPM.

It will handle the 10Klbs load better than the EB, but not pull it better.

I would like Fast Lane Truck to do a stopping test and an Ike Gauntlet comparing the Gas F250 versus the HDPP F150. EB, 6.5 box pulling a 10k load.

There will be a difference, but I'm betting there won't be a huge difference.

The F150 can stop better than the F250 when not towing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it stop shorter or not much longer than the F250 with a 10k load behind it.




This is exactly what I mean by keeping it real. Why on earth would you assume that an F150 would stop faster than the
F250 towing the same weight? Part of the reason the F250 has a higher tow rating is it's braking ability.

By your logic, a 6.7l F250 should be a better at towing 10k lbs then my 6.7l F450 because it's lighter, has better power to weight ratio, and can probably stop faster when empty.

I can assure you, it's not.

I've seen the HDPP F150's in action locally. I'm in construction and a couple of my subcontractors have them. Like I said, nice trucks for a half ton and I've considered using one as a daily driver.
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I used the terms, "I'm betting", "I wouldn't be surprised", not "it will", "it can", because I don't know and was only wondering and curious.

I made two distinct comments about the vehicles, I said the F250 will handle the 10klbs load better than the HDPP F150, but the HDPP will pull it better.

I said this about the F250 handling the 10klbs load versus the HDPP: There will be a difference, but I'm betting there won't be a huge difference.

You have tons of testimonials about the "night and day" experience going from an old inadequate 1/2 ton to a new 3/4 ton, but I've never heard anyone saying there was a night and day experience going from their newer HDPP to a 3/4 ton.

From my perspectives, I look at the HDPP trucks in a class above the lesser Max Tow F150s, due to its stability when towing heavy.

When Fast Lane tested the F150 versus the Titan in the Super Ike, the Titan was more stable versus that soft suspension Max Tow, and that Max Tow was bouncing the whole time. The HDPP truck with ~500lbs more payload, stiffer LT tires, etc, would have been more stable with that 11,000lbs.

In terms of pulling that 11,000lbs, they used the term "mad dog on a leash", as to how effortlessly it pulled, and until they upgrade those 3/4 engines/transmissions, the HDPP trucks are the perfect solution for towing up to 10,000lbs TT.

I still wonder about the differance in stability though.

Threebigfords
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Maury82 wrote:
Ralph Cramden wrote:
Samsonsworld wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
isn't worth that mediocre engine and transmission combination


You know, just the other day I was thinking about hanging a set of labia off the receiver hitch of my F250.

Uhmmmm....no. Seriously, while not as powerful as the ecoboost, it does have class leading torque and a beefed up tranny. I wouldn't call them mediocre.


Now look what you have done!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You got Maury's reciever labia all tied up and twisted around ROFLMAO


What I mean by that, is once you start towing at 80% of its ratings, which is over 10k lbs, that engine is going to be singing a high note. That won't hurt anything, but it has towing capacity higher than the EB, weighs more, while producing its torque and horse power at a higher engine RPM.

It will handle the 10Klbs load better than the EB, but not pull it better.

I would like Fast Lane Truck to do a stopping test and an Ike Gauntlet comparing the Gas F250 versus the HDPP F150. EB, 6.5 box pulling a 10k load.

There will be a difference, but I'm betting there won't be a huge difference.

The F150 can stop better than the F250 when not towing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it stop shorter or not much longer than the F250 with a 10k load behind it.





This is exactly what I mean by keeping it real. Why on earth would you assume that an F150 would stop faster than the
F250 towing the same weight? Part of the reason the F250 has a higher tow rating is it's braking ability.

By your logic, a 6.7l F250 should be a better at towing 10k lbs then my 6.7l F450 because it's lighter, has better power to weight ratio, and can probably stop faster when empty.

I can assure you, it's not.

I've seen the HDPP F150's in action locally. I'm in construction and a couple of my subcontractors have them. Like I said, nice trucks for a half ton and I've considered using one as a daily driver.
15' Ford F450 4x4 Platinum Bronze Fire Metallic
17' Ford Explorer Platinum 3.5 Ecoboost Ruby Red Metallic
78' F250 SC LB 4x4 - highly modified

2003 Weekend Warrior FS2600 toyhauler and the toys to fill it
1997 10' Northland Grizzly 990 Ext Cab

Maury82
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Samsonsworld wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything but stopping. That's one of the reasons I went to a F250. My 2013 F150 stops faster unloaded but struggled stopping my trailer. I had a couple of those fit hit the shan moments and blew through a red light one time. I was lucky nobody was coming from the side. I even had the trailer brakes checked after that and I was told they work fine. The F250 will shut it down much quicker in my experience, at least when you're standing on the brake pedal. Again, my experience. Your mileage may vary. And I realize I could have upgraded some things to make the F150 work better but I also knew the truck was going to one of my kiddos. Didn't see much point in spending the money.


I was just wondering about that.

I also wonder whether ford uses different brake pad materials for the various towing ratings, or whether all f150 get the best braking for the entire line.

Braking performance is one area I've always had to improve on my Hondas because of soft rotors that warped within 30 days, and had poor braking when passengers were on board.

I've already priced high performance slotted rotors and pads, because you can't go wrong with better braking.

Samsonsworld
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Explorer
I pretty much agree with everything but stopping. That's one of the reasons I went to a F250. My 2013 F150 stops faster unloaded but struggled stopping my trailer. I had a couple of those fit hit the shan moments and blew through a red light one time. I was lucky nobody was coming from the side. I even had the trailer brakes checked after that and I was told they work fine. The F250 will shut it down much quicker in my experience, at least when you're standing on the brake pedal. Again, my experience. Your mileage may vary. And I realize I could have upgraded some things to make the F150 work better but I also knew the truck was going to one of my kiddos. Didn't see much point in spending the money.

Maury82
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Ralph Cramden wrote:
Samsonsworld wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
isn't worth that mediocre engine and transmission combination


You know, just the other day I was thinking about hanging a set of labia off the receiver hitch of my F250.

Uhmmmm....no. Seriously, while not as powerful as the ecoboost, it does have class leading torque and a beefed up tranny. I wouldn't call them mediocre.


Now look what you have done!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You got Maury's reciever labia all tied up and twisted around ROFLMAO


What I mean by that, is once you start towing at 80% of its ratings, which is over 10k lbs, that engine is going to be singing a high note. That won't hurt anything, but it has towing capacity higher than the EB, weighs more, while producing its torque and horse power at a higher engine RPM.

It will handle the 10Klbs load better than the EB, but not pull it better.

I would like Fast Lane Truck to do a stopping test and an Ike Gauntlet comparing the Gas F250 versus the HDPP F150. EB, 6.5 box pulling a 10k load.

There will be a difference, but I'm betting there won't be a huge difference.

The F150 can stop better than the F250 when not towing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it stop shorter or not much longer than the F250 with a 10k load behind it.

Ralph_Cramden
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Samsonsworld wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
isn't worth that mediocre engine and transmission combination


You know, just the other day I was thinking about hanging a set of labia off the receiver hitch of my F250.

Uhmmmm....no. Seriously, while not as powerful as the ecoboost, it does have class leading torque and a beefed up tranny. I wouldn't call them mediocre.


Now look what you have done!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You got Maury's reciever labia all tied up and twisted around ROFLMAO
Too many geezers, self appointed moderators, experts, and disappearing posts for me. Enjoy. How many times can the same thing be rehashed over and over?