Justice Dept. sues FCA

[Travlingman]

U.S. Justice department sues Fiat over selling diesels(1500's and Cherokees) with software to defeat admission testing. Detroit Free Press

[Community Alumni]

I thought this was a better explanation of why they're getting sued.

Why The U.S. Government Is Suing Fiat Chrysler Over Cheating Diesels

[2001400ex]

ShinerBock wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

It's easy to forget how bad the air pollution used to be. Remember the smog in Los Angeles in the 60's? Very comparable to Beijing today. Personally I'd rather breathe the air here. It's not fair that our emission standards are tougher, but someone has to lead.

It has recently been proven that a majority of that smog comes from China via the jet stream and is blocked by the Rocky Mountains so it stagnates in the southern California region. While emissions from the US compounded the issue, it is not the major cause. I have no doubts that if the jet stream did not carry China's air pollution to the US, then the air pollution in Los Angeles would not have been nearly as bad back then.

Um no. China produces was more emissions now than it did in the 60s or 80s. Smog reduction in LA is a direct result of emissions being reduced here. I'll gladly pay a few hundred more dollars for a vehicle because of emissions. Or a few dollars a year more in my electric bill to have cleaner air.

[ShinerBock]

Mortimer Brewster wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

It's easy to forget how bad the air pollution used to be. Remember the smog in Los Angeles in the 60's? Very comparable to Beijing today. Personally I'd rather breathe the air here. It's not fair that our emission standards are tougher, but someone has to lead.

It has recently been proven that a majority of that smog comes from China via the jet stream and is blocked by the Rocky Mountains so it stagnates in the southern California region. While emissions from the US compounded the issue, it is not the major cause. I have no doubts that if the jet stream did not carry China's air pollution to the US, then the air pollution in Los Angeles would not have been nearly as bad back then.

[Retired_JSO]

JIMNLIN wrote:
Good grief..time for another troll alert in the tow vehicle forum

If what they are doing is true, they are just as guilty as VW in trying to circumvent the rules.

[JIMNLIN]

Good grief..time for another troll alert in the tow vehicle forum

[goducks10]

spud1957 wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

Might want to do a little more research on that guys. US is second to China for emission pollutants in the world.

Google top 10 polluting countries.

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[nohurry]

Problem I see is that emission technology on diesels was ignored too long. Remember when gas engines had all that **** on them in the late 70's and 80's? Much more efficient now. Can diesels be cleaned up without choking them off, or costing $$ to clean, or replace filters etc every few years? I don't know. But diesels are being produced in much greater numbers now, with more coming on the market every year, so they better figure it out. I also prefer the cleaner air. You'd think the other countries would get tired of wearing masks outside all the time, and do something about it.

[spud1957]

Bumpyroad wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

Might want to do a little more research on that guys. US is second to China for emission pollutants in the world.

Google top 10 polluting countries.

[Ivylog]

Cummins claims the air coming out of their engines is cleaner than the air coming in. Enough is enough.

[Mortimer_Brewst]

Bumpyroad wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

It's easy to forget how bad the air pollution used to be. Remember the smog in Los Angeles in the 60's? Very comparable to Beijing today. Personally I'd rather breathe the air here. It's not fair that our emission standards are tougher, but someone has to lead.

[Bumpyroad]

dodge guy wrote:
what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

but we are the only one sucker enough to carry the burden alone.
bumpy

[dodge_guy]

I think everyone (especially the govt.) needs to realize that emissions have been maxed out! you cannot get them any lower. this is proven by the fact that at least 2 manuf have went to programming to make it look better. there are other manuf out there that I`m sure have done the same thing, they just haven't been caught yet. what needs to happen now is other countries need to step it up, some pollute 10X more than the U.S.

[bucky]

With the ebb and flow of employees between the automakers it is only a matter of time once someone comes up with a scheme to bend the rules.
This lawsuit only addresses the 3.0, not the Cummins in the larger trucks.

[RobertRyan]

Travlingman wrote:
U.S. Justice department sues Fiat over selling diesels(1500's and Cherokees) with software to defeat admission testing. Detroit Free Press

The EU is also pursuing FCA over Cheat devices on Fiat and Jeep veh8cles