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I bought a new to me TT that is in really great shape and had very few areas of de-lamination. I noticed that the dealer the folks I bought it from who they got the unit from a year ago, went over it and did a bunch of great looking caulking and sealing of the roof, joints etc. However we have had a lot of rain since I bought it and today I noticed some swelling at the rear corner where there was some already but it looks much worse. I have a moisture meter (i'm a home inspector) that is non intrusive you just run it along what ever and it tells you the percentage of moisture in the product. I wasn't sure if it would even work that great but guess what? It does and it showed my a ton of leaks I have. all around the slide, the rear where I saw the swelling including the very back wall and under several other openings. Most everything looks sealed up great which is very disturbing also. What is one to do?
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westend wrote:
fallsrider wrote:
I can see where the worksheets, or trailer diagrams, would work. My only concern would be finding a pinhole leak again just by going off a diagram.

I guess a grease pencil would work as mentioned, since I always clean an area with denatured alcohol before applying caulk.

Just thinking it through...
It's not that hard. If you have a pinhole in a siding joint, you're probably going to be sealing more than just the exact location when you apply caulk.


Weep holes do not let air or water out of the inside of the unit they are for any moisture that gets between the frame and the glass to come back out. No you should not be getting bubbles at the weep holes. Did you get bubbles anywhere? If so then it worked.
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Reading about the pressurized testing got me motivated to try it.
Since I have a Fantastic Fan installed, I decided to add a reverse switch to it for pressurizing the interior.. It only cost $5.00 and will be a nice added feature as well.

This morning I used tape to seal up all of the heat/AC ducts and heat intake.
I then turned on the fan in high reverse. It is definantly pressurizing the interior. I can feel air rushing out around the door as I close it. If I have the door unlatched and turn on the fan it will push the door open about 2".
My concern is that when I spray the soap water mix on the window weep holes that no bubbles form. I tried increasing the amount of saop in the mix to no avail.... I think I should be getting bubbles in these locations , right?

For those of you that have done this, do your window weep holes create bubbles?

Maybe I need more pressure? It seems that with the airflow that I am getting around the door when I close it that it should be enough.

Rigging up a manometer would be a pain with my setup. I would have to create a sealed upening just for the tube...

Those of you that have done this, does my description of how much presurrization I am getting sound about right?

Before i get all involved of spraying everything, I would like to know if my setup appears to be sufficient.
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fallsrider wrote:
I can see where the worksheets, or trailer diagrams, would work. My only concern would be finding a pinhole leak again just by going off a diagram.

I guess a grease pencil would work as mentioned, since I always clean an area with denatured alcohol before applying caulk.

Just thinking it through...
It's not that hard. If you have a pinhole in a siding joint, you're probably going to be sealing more than just the exact location when you apply caulk.
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fallsrider
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I can see where the worksheets, or trailer diagrams, would work. My only concern would be finding a pinhole leak again just by going off a diagram.

I guess a grease pencil would work as mentioned, since I always clean an area with denatured alcohol before applying caulk.

Just thinking it through...

Mike_Up
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My dealer has worksheets with all sides of the trailer drawn out neatly. They mark on the worksheets where they find leaking caulking.

From there, they call the customer and show them the worksheets and discuss material and labor costs.
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fallsrider wrote:
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Man I love this site, its so great to see all the genius involved and shared for all of us to use to our advantage. Great job guy's I'm excited about doing this project!
Ain't it the truth. In only a little over 2 years of TT ownership, I can't tell you how many times I have picked up an idea on here, or some folks helped me with a problem.


Agreed I joined this site probably back in 2005 or so and had been RVing for several years before that and learned more in the first two months after joining this site then I had learned on my own in probably 4 years.
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jstar wrote:
Man I love this site, its so great to see all the genius involved and shared for all of us to use to our advantage. Great job guy's I'm excited about doing this project!
Ain't it the truth. In only a little over 2 years of TT ownership, I can't tell you how many times I have picked up an idea on here, or some folks helped me with a problem.

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beemerphile1 wrote:
fallsrider wrote:

I have the largest hand-held, gas powered, blower that Stihl makes, so I'm thinking I could do this through the cargo door, propping up my DS's bunk bed a couple inches.


You might want a different tool. My gas blower puts the exhaust out with the pressurized air which would put all that exhaust in the RV.
Good point. I have not thought this through very far. Come to think of it, my father-in-law used to have an electric leaf blower. He lives just down the street. I will have to ask sometime if he still has it.

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Man I love this site, its so great to see all the genius involved and shared for all of us to use to our advantage. Great job guy's I'm excited about doing this project!
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PaulJ2
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On my trailer i did the pressure test with it's own Fantastic Fan. Just set it to "in" position on high. Make sure all windows and door are fully closed, and watch for bubbles. Foumd some around trim on several windows.
No idea how much pressure it generated, but it worked fine.

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This is the leak test rig that I built using a blower from Harbor Freight and a concrete form from Lowes:









The form is fitted into a piece of cardboard I cut out to fit the baggage door. I sealed it with duct tape. Make sure all your vents are closed and lock the range vent for maximum pressure.
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What do you do to mark each spot until you're done with your test? I'm thinking a piece of blue painters tape, but it would not stick to a wet soapy surface. You would somehow have to mark each spot and then go back over the trailer with caulk after you were done with the test.

I have the largest hand-held, gas powered, blower that Stihl makes, so I'm thinking I could do this through the cargo door, propping up my DS's bunk bed a couple inches.

Before I start testing, I take five pieces of paper and crudely draw out the four walls and the roof. I mark with a pen, the location of any leaks.

Yes a large blower will probably get the pressure differential needed. I made a DIY manometer using a piece of 1/2" acrylic tube and a piece of plywood. Make a "U" with the tube and attach it to the plywood. I fill the tube with water and food coloring. One end of the tube is inserted into the blower mounting board and the other end of the tube is open. I mark on the plywood the water levels before testing with some marks at 1/2" increments from resting center. The measurement is the sum of the higher level and lower level from center in the tube when testing.

The Westend MZ1000 manometer:



The squirrel cage blower I use is positioned on a ladder and the air is directed through a window:



For my first tests I blocked off the ceiling vents with cardboard and tape. My heater stack is fed from the outside and I put a towel around the bottom of the combustion chamber. Sinks and toilet are filled with water. After a couple of tests, I kind of slack on the sealing since the squirrel cage pushes a lot of air. YMMV.

FWIW, my trailer has a full vapor barrier on the interior. Air still enters the wall and ceiling cavities, enough to make bubbles where there is any through hole in the exterior.

When I did the restoration on the trailer, I tried to seal all the mating surfaces diligently. I did have a few small leaks. I continue to test at least yearly as I don't want my work to be undone.
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fallsrider wrote:

I have the largest hand-held, gas powered, blower that Stihl makes, so I'm thinking I could do this through the cargo door, propping up my DS's bunk bed a couple inches.


You might want a different tool. My gas blower puts the exhaust out with the pressurized air which would put all that exhaust in the RV.
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This info should be a sticky for sure! Can a moderator make that happen?

westend wrote:

You can DIY with a furnace blower, a leaf blower, or any fan/blower that moves a good bit of air. The idea is to introduce air into the interior until a positive pressure differential is achieved. 1/2"-> 1.5" of Water column is an accepted range. When the pressure has been achieved, the exterior is sprayed with a water-soap solution. Anywhere there is a passage to the interior will have bubbles forming on it.

A small pinhole leak:



If I knew this Forum would sticky the process as I do it, I'd do a write up and description of the testing. Unfortunately, everytime this comes up and I post up the info and pictures, it fades into the archives. The information is buried in my restoration thread in my signature line, "the Cowboy/Hilton".
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One thought on marking the spots is to use a cell phone camera, even its video function if you have a smart phone. I find more uses for mine than just snapping photos to keep forever.
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