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Mexico/Central and South America - Truck Camper is best!

Sothamericatrav
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I have recently finished one of a number of expeditions via the Pan American Highway. I again landed at the tip of South America, which is Ushuaia, Argentina. I have also traveled to Alaska which is 18,800 kms to the north, according to the sign posted here AT THE END OF THE ROAD or as they say here FIN DEL MUNDO / END OF THE WORLD.

I have traveled with many different type of RVs, from class A to the basic converted van, and I would advise anyone planning on doing this trip , to use a Truck Camper,,,it is the best fitted to do this journey.

Also be sure to combine this with a DIESEL pickup. We paid as low as $1.01 per gallon a few months ago on this trip,

I am writing a blog...be patient ..will print it soon... happy camping
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tony_lee
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Robert wrote:
Tony what would you suggest to do the trip? Not an OKA. Agree about the top heavy aspect. A US HD Pickup would have poor entry and departure angles and modern diesels cannot handle unrefined diesel


Obviously there are truck campers and then there are truck campers. My remarks are towards big truck campers and don't apply to smaller units on lighter trucks. But of course then you have to accept less luxurious facilities so they may not be ideal either.

Actually the OKA does have a couple of major advantages over the F350+Bigfoot - which it should because I designed and built it to take to South America. First, which doesn't sound like much of an advantage, is it is only 7'wide rather than a little over 8'. Saves having to drive with one side up on the footpath in all those little streets south of the border and you stand a better chance of being able to get past the vehicles you meet on narrow mountain tracks. Single tyres of course which any truck with a lighter camper will have as well. The motor in the OKA will happily run on anything you can find in the cooking oil shelf of any little shop or supermarket. Sounds stupid stating that as an advantage, but the previous owner of the Iveco we had last year got stranded by local strikes and blockades preventing fuel deliveries, and was able to 'escape' by buying 20 litres of cooking oil and driving out on that. Not possible with commonrail engines and we have been in large towns where every fuel station was out of fuel. A large fuel tank is a distinct advantage.
People have already mentioned the all-consuming search for propane, especially if the generator is propane and I can vouch for that. Finding a gas factory to fill non-standard foreign bottles is a real pain, especially in Brazil which has a unique system so I have ended up with local bottles from three countries (non of which fit in the propane locker) that I swap and then direct fill the US bottles via a custom hose and fittings. So the OKA is all diesel. Diesel HWS, diesel heating and diesel cooking as well. No generator, but plenty of solar. (the propane generator in the BigFoot won't start at elevations higher than 3500 metres so I guess propane dependence is a bit moot. Other minor points which are not deal breakers are a cassette toilet rather than a large black tank, simply because it is a lot easier to dispose of 20 litres every two or three days than 200 litres via a slinky, especially when even primitive dump points are very few and very far between. The OKA has one electrical cable that needs to be energised to get it started and I can fix just about all parts of that circuit on the side of the road. Key switch, solenoid and starter motor (and maybe the fuel cutoff valve) KISS
The OKA also has all essential plumbing and water and fuel tanks inside the heated living quarters so is relatively freezeproof.
The OKA has no mains connection so the varying voltages and frequencies and quality of the mains supply isn't a problem.

Ideal vehicles - for meandering around a country for months on the back roads (which is the preferred option for most non-American travellers) as well as blasting straight through?
Hmmmm. A quick look at photos of rigs driving around will show that there is no such thing and often choice will be on the basis of what is available rather than what is desired - but what is clear is that despite US and Canadian truck campers being as cheap as chips north of the border, they are massively under-represented in any line up anywhere in South America. Obvious reason for that may be that North American travellers aren't all that thick on the ground down south either and truck campers aren't widely known in other countries so the travellers don't buy them either even when they start their journey in N America.
The Europeans turn out some very well appointed 4WD van conversions that are fitted with bathrooms, modern kitchen, big beds and dining area seating. The wheels are right at the four corners for good stability and good departure and approach angles and they are under the 7' in width that makes driving less of a chore in many situations. Less height - than large campers- makes driving under low hanging power lines a lot less stressful and you can get into most campgrounds and shopping centres that have the typical arches and height barriers that keep me out.

For our sort of RVing lifestyle - which covers everything from overnighting in Home Depot parking lots (they have 24/7 fast wifi which Walmart doesn't) to 6 months on the desert to high mountain passes, the OKA would be our most suitable vehicle. Problems associated with shipping vehicles between countries mean that it sits where it is most useful to us and we make do with less ideal vehicles elsewhere - which of course may mean that they are more ideal in those countries than the OKA would be. Horses for courses.

So yes, the bigfoot is a comfortable way to camp and of course on the right roads, the F350 is a (relative) pleasure to drive and as stated, does suit those whose mode of exploring a foreign country is to blast straight down the best highways they can find.

The same criteria apply in Europe. There are US class As driving around, but in those you are very effectively locked out of all the towns and cities and camping places that, like in Mexico and further south, are part of the reason for being there in the first place. 65mph on a four lane tollway isn't a good way to see a country.
Tony
Lots of photos with comprehensive captions at MY PICASA Album
Spotwalla map of our travels - Our Travel map

Jfet
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One vehicle popular on these type of trips is the Mitsubishi Fuso 4x4 cabover truck with either a frame mounted camper or a flatbed carrying a travel trailer camper removed from it's trailer and placed on the flatbed (like a Bigfoot TT). Or something like the Earthcruiser for people with $$$.

DiploStrat
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Sothamericatraveler wrote:
The diesel is not a problem if you have a 2010 or previous model. Also there is more low sulpher fuels becoming available...

There are expensive modifications available for the newest models, I recently traveled with a 2014 Ford F550 that was "converted".


Would be very interested with the details of what you did and regulatory issues.
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Sothamericatrav
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The diesel is not a problem if you have a 2010 or previous model. Also there is more low sulpher fuels becoming available...

There are expensive modifications available for the newest models, I recently traveled with a 2014 Ford F550 that was "converted".

btggraphix
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For what it is worth, the couple that took the rig we now own stated their biggest difficulty they had was with finding propane. They made it work regardless. The issue with diesel is independent of rig 'type' per se; it basically means you either need a pre-emissions US rig or one built for another country, right? So TC or not, this is an independent variable.
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Sothamericatrav
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OF COURSE...personal choice is up to the traveler! However, from my experience (with over 13 round trips) over the Pan American Highway, I personally have found the Truck Camper the most ideal mode for this journey.

I have also done it in a class B, and class A motorhome. The B class would be my second choice, however you do not have the option of disconnecting the camper and going off with the truck, and there are fewer "diesel" class B units available.

I have traveled with others, one even had a 5th wheel,,,which was a disaster, size and the number of flat tires caused on the trailer from debris kicked up from the roadway. Any trailer is also a problem with the on/off at the ferry crossings.

Another consideration is PROPANE, especially if there is a propane generator...this should be converted to gasoline if you plan on using it much...propane is a bit scarce in areas. If you conserve, it will not be a problem, there are stations to refill.

4X4Dodger
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RobertRyan wrote:
tony lee wrote:
"and I would advise anyone planning on doing this trip , to use a Truck Camper,,,it is the best fitted to do this journey."


Perhaps one of those beauty is in the eye of the beholder situations.

My take on using a truck camper in south America - of course based on a personal sample of exactly ONE - is that relative to what would be an ideal vehicle, they are too high, too wide, too long, too large, too noisy, too thirsty, too clumsy, too top heavy, have very poor entry and departure angles, huge turning circle and to cap it off, have the wrong set up for electrical supply, heating and HWS. Add to that a modern engine that can't handle poor diesel quality and high sulphur content and needs special fluids and parts and they are not ideal. Throw in lots of corrugations and roads that are far from perfect and climbing to 16,000 feet .....


Tony what would you suggest to do the trip? Not an OKA. Agree about the top heavy aspect. A US HD Pickup would have poor entry and departure angles and modern diesels cannot handle unrefined diesel


Having spent some considerable time in SA myself I think I can say with some surety that the VAST majority of the Pan American Hwy is well paved, lined and driven by cars, buses, large trucks and all sorts of other vehicles. (Even in Bolivia the main roads are quite good.) Most of the countries the Pan American passes thru including Ecuador and Peru are modern nations with good infrastructure...they are not Switzerland or the US but very good none the less...So I just cant understand all the need for specialty vehicles. People have done this trip in Motorhomes.

Departure angles, top heaviness and all of that just arent big issues unless you get WAY off the beaten track.

RobertRyan
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tony lee wrote:
"and I would advise anyone planning on doing this trip , to use a Truck Camper,,,it is the best fitted to do this journey."


Perhaps one of those beauty is in the eye of the beholder situations.

My take on using a truck camper in south America - of course based on a personal sample of exactly ONE - is that relative to what would be an ideal vehicle, they are too high, too wide, too long, too large, too noisy, too thirsty, too clumsy, too top heavy, have very poor entry and departure angles, huge turning circle and to cap it off, have the wrong set up for electrical supply, heating and HWS. Add to that a modern engine that can't handle poor diesel quality and high sulphur content and needs special fluids and parts and they are not ideal. Throw in lots of corrugations and roads that are far from perfect and climbing to 16,000 feet .....


Tony what would you suggest to do the trip? Not an OKA. Agree about the top heavy aspect. A US HD Pickup would have poor entry and departure angles and modern diesels cannot handle unrefined diesel

tony_lee
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"and I would advise anyone planning on doing this trip , to use a Truck Camper,,,it is the best fitted to do this journey."


Perhaps one of those beauty is in the eye of the beholder situations.

My take on using a truck camper in south America - of course based on a personal sample of exactly ONE - is that relative to what would be an ideal vehicle, they are too high, too wide, too long, too large, too noisy, too thirsty, too clumsy, too top heavy, have very poor entry and departure angles, huge turning circle and to cap it off, have the wrong set up for electrical supply, heating and HWS. Add to that a modern engine that can't handle poor diesel quality and high sulphur content and needs special fluids and parts and they are not ideal. Throw in lots of corrugations and roads that are far from perfect and climbing to 16,000 feet .....
Tony
Lots of photos with comprehensive captions at MY PICASA Album
Spotwalla map of our travels - Our Travel map

Sothamericatrav
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spacedoutbob wrote:
Fantastic, be sure to post lots of photos also with your blog. I hope to some day make the same trip as you.

Bob in Calif.


This is one of the RV trips along the pan american highway

http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripwow/tp-0021-9a1f-5ffb?ln

Sothamericatrav
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One of the tailgunners of the Trekoftheamericas, has a 35' motorhome, with the entire roof covered with panels. His lead-in cable is 1" thick, and he can actually power the aire conditioners with solar! He is set for the boondocking 100%

I hope to be ready for the July 26th departure, lots of re-checking to do. Also throughout south america there are solar panels and accessories available...some even cheaper than in the north!

Simplygib
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Sothamericatraveler wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement, you should someday see that sign at the end of the Pan Am? Love your solar!!!!


Someday I hope to. I have some friends who bicycled there from Vancouver, B.C. and remember the sign from when they finally got there (took them darned near a year).

Thanks for the complement on the solar stuff. It's turning into a hobby for me.
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Gary and Zahra
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Sothamericatrav
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Thanks for the encouragement, you should someday see that sign at the end of the Pan Am? Love your solar!!!!

Simplygib
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Have a great trip. South America is incredible, as is Mexico and Central America.

My first trip to Chile was about 23 years ago, incredible country. Been to Peru many times, every country in Central America (rode through all of them on a self-supported bicycle tour 3-1/2 years ago), and many times to Mexico (just got home a few weeks ago from the latest trip there). I love living in the U.S. but always feel a pull towards the south. Eventually it can't be ignored any longer.

Buen viaje. Looking forward to following your latest adventures.
Gary and Zahra
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Sothamericatrav
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I HOPE ALL OF MY FRIENDS will know why I am off the "Forums", because I will be going again leaving the USA on the 26th of July. I will be on my way along the Pan American Highway, doing the mapping and logging for next year's trek.

TRUCK CAMPERS, AND SMALL RVs have always been the only RVs allowed, on the Trek this year, there will be space for at least 2 large RVs and a couple of trailers, according to the last information sent...space available til the 12th of July, if you have any friends with large RVs!

I have asked about this, and it is because the the improving road conditions and better camp locations that can handle the larger units.

The countries that have the most RVs in Latin America are: Mexico, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, and Brazil. There are many factories that built RVs similiar to the Euroupean models.