Looks like the new EPA requirements will be forcing the auto industry to shift to EV vehicles at a faster pace at a time when EV's and the power grid is not able to support this change on this proposed timeline.Link

I am hoping a change at the top, will stop this ridiculousness.

I said it here first. "With a stroke of a pen"

Yes I have read recent articles about this topic and also recent articles about serious drawbacks from owning and operating EVs in the USA. These stores are from business and auto magazines, news outlets, etc. One article from auto world or maybe it was another magazine gave 10 separate serious issues with operating EVs. Here are just a few I remember.In extreme cold and heat the EV performance and distance is greatly diminished and also charge times take much longer than normal. also running the car air conditioner further greatly reduces the range.Serious issues with non Tesla defective charge stations and not enough charge stations. EVs weigh at least twice as much as same size and type ICE vehicles and pose an extra safety risk with more on the road in crashes and pedestrian hits and also for older multi story parking garages.An EV car battery fire takes the FD 4 hours to put out with at least 1000 gallons of water and sometimes the battery will reignite hours or days later after the initial fire. EV batteries submerged in recent street flooding have gone up in flames in Florida. Sometimes days after water intrusion. FD heroes best of the best.To fully charge some EVs takes many hours and at least overnight at home and can hinder rapid evacuation from home or neighborhood in emergency situation. Not everyone has expensive fast charge station at home Wyatt Earp. On a weekly and even daily basis I have frequently observed drivers waiting in their cars one to two hours for a charge at the Tesla charge stations in casino parking lots with ac going in extreme heat that takes longer. It takes me 5 minutes to fill of my 32 gallon gas tank and drive well over 300 or more miles to fun destinations of fishing and camping.The EVs are not green or friendly to the environment due to waste disposal of toxic battery metals into the earth. Full recycling is a long ways off on a mass scale. Digging and mining of metals for EV batteries require large burning of fossil fuels.Also takes more carbon burning of oil and gas to make one EV and EV battery than ICE vehicle of same type and size. Increase in size of Electrical grid will require more burning of fossil fuels to make the lines, towers, wind turbines, etc.Minor damage and repairs cannot be made on expensive EV battery thus requiring replacement of entire battery. Insurance companies are balking at paying for replacement of entire battery and or new car due to minor battery problems. When the warranty runs out then look out.EVs including Tesla require special expensive tires because of EV weight and other factors. So back to the dealer for everything.Already a shortage of qualified mechanics to work on EVs.EV manufacturers including Tesla are dramatically lowering prices in order to sell more EVs to reluctant public.Already Newer technology may diminish the EV in not too distant future.Except for local city driving or staying on major interstates and or close to sizeable cities not much practical about driving an EV. Few to no charge stations in vast rural areas of USA and with many stations that are defective or breakdown a lot and sometimes burn up the car electronics. According to many scientific experts stating their opinions in news such as the WSJ, etc. The green evolution of many years has yielded a less than 1% reduction in carbon emissions in USA while other large major countries get a free pass/free ride on mandates. My memory still good to go. I neither hate nor love EVs but believe there are two sides to every story. This space left blank forLike some other items many EV parts, batteries are made in countries with slave labor and child labor in some. Child labor is being used in Africa for mining of metals/minerals for EV batteries. I find the articles in casual reading of Google and Edge and MSN news page.I find online news from reputable outfits to be more honest and accurate than cable news. Cut my cable TV many years ago and never looked back. Do a lot free streaming of news and movies and still time for fishing/camping. Most satisfying. Cheers to those with common sense.

^You remembered 12 out of 10 reasons right off the top o yer noggin there! Nice work.

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free_radical
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
free radical wrote:
Also EV cost way less money to drive.

And lithium is very easy to harvest or mine,oil production is 100x more destructive.

I own an electric car and no it doesn't. I've done the math many times on this forum. In fact, if I ever get my hybrid car back from the shop I will only run it on gas to save money.

You keep on telling yourself that. This Super Fund will last forever. Forever is a long time.

You dont drive Tesla= the best most eficent w best SCharging network.
When if you ever do calculate the cost again.

https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2020/03/lithium-mining-what-you-should-know-about-the-contentious-issue.html#:~:text=Where%20is%20lithium%20available%20from,China%20(1%20million%20tons).

How do the mining methods differ?
Put simply, lithium from Australia comes from ore mining, while in Chile and Argentina lithium comes from salt deserts, so-called salars. The extraction of raw materials from salars functions as follows:

lithium-containing saltwater from underground lakes is brought to the surface and evaporates in large basins. The remaining saline solution is further processed in several stages until the lithium is suitable for use in batteries.
free_radical
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
FishOnOne wrote:
Looks like the new EPA requirements will be forcing the auto industry to shift to EV vehicles at a faster pace at a time when EV's and the power grid is not able to support this change on this proposed timeline.

Link

I think Blinden is just trying to apeal to voters.

No one has to force anyone to buy EVs.
Tesla is so popular it has waiting line of buyers.

And their eficient production alows it to lower prices to efectively destroy the competiton.

Even IF legacy auto makers could build at same cost parity,their stealerships would add huge mark up making Tesla better deal every time.
Turtle_n_Peeps
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
free radical wrote:
Also EV cost way less money to drive.

And lithium is very easy to harvest or mine,oil production is 100x more destructive.

I own an electric car and no it doesn't. I've done the math many times on this forum. In fact, if I ever get my hybrid car back from the shop I will only run it on gas to save money.

You keep on telling yourself that. This Super Fund will last forever. Forever is a long time.
Greene728
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
free radical wrote:
wildtoad wrote:
HappyKayakers wrote:
ksss wrote:
I am hoping a change at the top, will stop this ridiculousness.

Ah yes, the ever popular ridiculousness of trying to save our environment.

If every vehicle - car, plane, train, truck, tractor in America was suddenly electric, and every home possible had their own charger, charging stations were sufficiently available, and the grid could support real time charging the impact on climate / global warming will be negligible especially if you factor in the damage done to the environment from all the destructive mining required for the minerals. But you can’t flip a switch to make it happen.

Americans are going to go through times to get all electric for questionable benefit.

Im not worried about global warming,few degrees wont make any diference imo.
However people up north where permafrost melts can make their houses sink into the mud.
And make driving on the tundra imposible.

Main advantage of EVs are it doesnt polute air with STINKY EXHAUST FUMES which kills milions of people and make many sick.

Also EV cost way less money to drive.

And lithium is very easy to harvest or mine,oil production is 100x more destructive.

You’re joking right? Gotta be.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Apr 16, 2023
I just got a large container of popcorn….continue…
free_radical
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
wildtoad wrote:
HappyKayakers wrote:
ksss wrote:
I am hoping a change at the top, will stop this ridiculousness.

Ah yes, the ever popular ridiculousness of trying to save our environment.

If every vehicle - car, plane, train, truck, tractor in America was suddenly electric, and every home possible had their own charger, charging stations were sufficiently available, and the grid could support real time charging the impact on climate / global warming will be negligible especially if you factor in the damage done to the environment from all the destructive mining required for the minerals. But you can’t flip a switch to make it happen.

Americans are going to go through times to get all electric for questionable benefit.

Im not worried about global warming,few degrees wont make any diference imo.
However people up north where permafrost melts can make their houses sink into the mud.
And make driving on the tundra imposible.

Main advantage of EVs are it doesnt polute air with STINKY EXHAUST FUMES which kills milions of people and make many sick.

Also EV cost way less money to drive.

And lithium is very easy to harvest or mine,oil production is 100x more destructive.
free_radical
Explorer
Apr 16, 2023
time2roll wrote:
Regardless of the environment, I would like to see the major oil exporting countries become irrelevant.
Primarily Middle East and Russia. Too much money and power in the wrong hands.

Wow realy,what did ME and Rusia did to deserve such hate.
we are very reliant on UAE and rusian oil if you didnt know.
We also buy tons of Rusian titanium our aircraft manufacturers need to stay in busines.
NASA uses rusian rockets to deliver stuff and people to space station

Huge majority of our citizens are misinformed by our Gov controled media about Rusia and China also.
Thnx to internet truth is easy to find tho.

Jimmy Dore
https://youtu.be/klsgnK0xl3k

Patrick Lancaster free lance reporter livin in Ukrain

https://youtu.be/WMtRVUteDJI
BB_TX
Nomad
Apr 16, 2023
What is with all the silly name calling? :h
wildtoad
Explorer II
Apr 15, 2023
HappyKayakers wrote:
ksss wrote:
I am hoping a change at the top, will stop this ridiculousness.

Ah yes, the ever popular ridiculousness of trying to save our environment.

If every vehicle - car, plane, train, truck, tractor in America was suddenly electric, and every home possible had their own charger, charging stations were sufficiently available, and the grid could support real time charging the impact on climate / global warming will be negligible especially if you factor in the damage done to the environment from all the destructive mining required for the minerals. But you can’t flip a switch to make it happen.

Americans are going to go through times to get all electric for questionable benefit.
cptqueeg
Explorer II
Apr 15, 2023
time2roll wrote:
Regardless of the environment, I would like to see the major oil exporting countries become irrelevant.
Primarily Middle East and Russia. Too much money and power in the wrong hands.

Agreed.

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