November pick up truck sales figures

Fish, there is no doubt that the 6.7L Cummins had emissions related issues when they came out. But to compare those issues to the 6.4L and especially the 6.0L debacle is laughable at best. They would be comparable if there was only 1 main issue with the 6.4L and 6.0L but good god man, the list of issues is endless with them.:S

I wonder why every time someone brings up the well documented problems with the 6.0 and 6.4, that the answer is to go attack RAM? No one attacks the early Duramax's for all the injector issues, and only once in a while for the LLY issues. Bringing up a LLY over heating issue does not cause the RAM's are bad responses.

And I use to think the tire threads were bad! Chris

Flashman wrote:
Fish

It has always fascinated me the amount of devotion that Ford has created in their fan base. I don't think that GM or Ram could have weathered the fiasco that was the 6.0 and 6.4L engines. I know that the 6.2 and 6.5 were not great engines but compared to what was available by the others they were comparatively not that bad. The 6.0 and 6.4 cant begin to compared to the Duramax and Cummins engines. Yet Ford weathered that storm and Ford guys many who went from the the 6.0 to the 6.4L bought right into the 6.7. Ford still owns the HD market. Many guys having been bitten bad by the those poor engines, came back for more. I think that is the reason Ford is much more difficult with warranty work then GM is reported to be. Ford can afford to piss people off and GM cant. Ford learned over the last 15 years that there is no penalty from their fan base for poor durability, so being very stringent on their warranty approvals likely carries no penalty either. I think they have been right there as well. It is an enviable position if your an OEM.

I know it sounds like the description fits you perfectly - but do not take it personally.

Spoken like a true Ram fan boy. The first gen 6.7 cummins had some serious emission problems that forced the owners to deal with such non sense. These trucks were some real turds and some continued to buy 6.7 rams when the problems appeared to be mitigated.

BTW... Macarronni has now abandoned the GM merger or hostile take over. Lets see what happens next. :W

Flashman wrote:
Fish

It has always fascinated me the amount of devotion that Ford has created in their fan base. I don't think that GM or Ram could have weathered the fiasco that was the 6.0 and 6.4L engines. I know that the 6.2 and 6.5 were not great engines but compared to what was available by the others they were comparatively not that bad. The 6.0 and 6.4 cant begin to compared to the Duramax and Cummins engines. Yet Ford weathered that storm and Ford guys many who went from the the 6.0 to the 6.4L bought right into the 6.7. Ford still owns the HD market. Many guys having been bitten bad by the those poor engines, came back for more. I think that is the reason Ford is much more difficult with warranty work then GM is reported to be. Ford can afford to piss people off and GM cant. Ford learned over the last 15 years that there is no penalty from their fan base for poor durability, so being very stringent on their warranty approvals likely carries no penalty either. I think they have been right there as well. It is an enviable position if your an OEM.

I know it sounds like the description fits you perfectly - but do not take it personally.

That is actually quit a powerful statement. That is if it is even true which I do not believe it is. All the OEM's have worked hard to build a strong brand following. However, if this statement is true than that is an indication their product lines just were not that strong to begin with weather some bad times. But empirically this just is not true. GM recovered from the brink of disappearing and their fans continued to buy. Chrysler twice and their fans kept coming back. All the mfgs have had engine and/or model failures and they all survived. There is more than enough evidence to refute this whole only Ford has brand followers strong enough to overcome difficult times.

BTW why the plagiarized post? Will your fans continue to believe you. :D

Fish

It has always fascinated me the amount of devotion that Ford has created in their fan base. I don't think that GM or Ram could have weathered the fiasco that was the 6.0 and 6.4L engines. I know that the 6.2 and 6.5 were not great engines but compared to what was available by the others they were comparatively not that bad. The 6.0 and 6.4 cant begin to compared to the Duramax and Cummins engines. Yet Ford weathered that storm and Ford guys many who went from the the 6.0 to the 6.4L bought right into the 6.7. Ford still owns the HD market. Many guys having been bitten bad by the those poor engines, came back for more. I think that is the reason Ford is much more difficult with warranty work then GM is reported to be. Ford can afford to piss people off and GM cant. Ford learned over the last 15 years that there is no penalty from their fan base for poor durability, so being very stringent on their warranty approvals likely carries no penalty either. I think they have been right there as well. It is an enviable position if your an OEM.

I know it sounds like the description fits you perfectly - but do not take it personally.

blofgren wrote:

ksss wrote:

GBuilders wrote:
I have a buddy that owns nothing but Fords Even though he got hung with the 6.0 problems left him stranded several times, so he traded in for a 6.4 and guess what happened again. He would never own a GM or Ram. Some Ford guys are like that, he thinks that Ford actually cares what he says.

It has always fascinated me the amount of devotion that Ford has created in their fan base. I don't think that GM or Ram could have weathered the fiasco that was the 6.0 and 6.4L engines. I know that the 6.2 and 6.5 were not great engines but compared to what was available by the others they were comparatively not that bad. The 6.0 and 6.4 cant begin to compared to the Duramax and Cummins engines. Yet Ford weathered that storm and Ford guys many who went from the the 6.0 to the 6.4L bought right into the 6.7. Ford still owns the HD market. Many guys having been bitten bad by the those poor engines, came back for more. I think that is the reason Ford is much more difficult with warranty work then GM is reported to be. Ford can afford to piss people off and GM cant. Ford learned over the last 15 years that there is no penalty from their fan base for poor durability, so being very stringent on their warranty approvals likely carries no penalty either. I think they have been right there as well. It is an enviable position if your an OEM.

Exactly right and well said. I bucked this trend, though :B

Yep BIL had a POS 09 Dodge/cummins and after no help from the Chrysler corp. he sold it with full disclosure and purchased a used 07 Dodge.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"About time for someone to come on and say----
O Ya, well Mcdonalds sells the most burgers."

You said it!

Yes Mcdonalds sells more food than Taco Bell. :W

This topic comes up all the time...I'm a GM guy, but was a Ford guy first...not
blindly loyal to any OEM...just preferences

Worst was my 5000S Audi...which now has that badge flying off the
dealer lots...and my current 1980 Silverado C10, but dad gave it to
me after he retired and sold the small grocery/butcher shop has always
been problematic

Just want which ever I purchase used or new to have enough volume over time to
have a good parts supply line over the decades that I own most all of my vehicles

Also why am not normally first for anything automotive out there...though did
purchase/ordered the new fangled Vortec Suburban...

Get a kick out of the 'most popular' XYZ...so the herd jumps on that band
wagon...to then see the sales drop off after a few years...like GM's rear steering
axle on full sized pickups/SUVs...

ksss wrote:

GBuilders wrote:
I have a buddy that owns nothing but Fords Even though he got hung with the 6.0 problems left him stranded several times, so he traded in for a 6.4 and guess what happened again. He would never own a GM or Ram. Some Ford guys are like that, he thinks that Ford actually cares what he says.

It has always fascinated me the amount of devotion that Ford has created in their fan base. I don't think that GM or Ram could have weathered the fiasco that was the 6.0 and 6.4L engines. I know that the 6.2 and 6.5 were not great engines but compared to what was available by the others they were comparatively not that bad. The 6.0 and 6.4 cant begin to compared to the Duramax and Cummins engines. Yet Ford weathered that storm and Ford guys many who went from the the 6.0 to the 6.4L bought right into the 6.7. Ford still owns the HD market. Many guys having been bitten bad by the those poor engines, came back for more. I think that is the reason Ford is much more difficult with warranty work then GM is reported to be. Ford can afford to piss people off and GM cant. Ford learned over the last 15 years that there is no penalty from their fan base for poor durability, so being very stringent on their warranty approvals likely carries no penalty either. I think they have been right there as well. It is an enviable position if your an OEM.

Exactly right and well said. I bucked this trend, though :B

You all have argued and disCUSSed this enough......at least until Jan 1-3 when the December stats show up.........oh my aching head!

Oh, buy the one that fits you phat buts! That is the BEST brand!

Marty