Opinion on these Tires and Rims

Slymer wrote:

allygerry wrote:
I bought 4 new Vision wheels and 4 Sumitumo 245/70/19.5 including lug nuts and center caps mounted and balanced for 2200.00. Shop around for new ones. You should pay less than used wheels and tires from that ad. Might save enough in tires and wheels to come down across the border to pay for the fuel used. IMHO Gerry

I just got 19.5 Visions. 81A Heavy Haulers. Assuming you have the same, what do you torque the lug nuts at. Vision says 95 psi but others feel it should be around 160 psi.

The lug nut torque should be a spec from the truck not the wheel. On my Ram it is 125 ft lbs.

allygerry wrote:
I bought 4 new Vision wheels and 4 Sumitumo 245/70/19.5 including lug nuts and center caps mounted and balanced for 2200.00. Shop around for new ones. You should pay less than used wheels and tires from that ad. Might save enough in tires and wheels to come down across the border to pay for the fuel used. IMHO Gerry

I just got 19.5 Visions. 81A Heavy Haulers. Assuming you have the same, what do you torque the lug nuts at. Vision says 95 psi but others feel it should be around 160 psi.

Thanks for all the advice on this. I decided to pass on the tires. I didn't think the deal was there, plus the 225/70 tires just didn't have the weight carrying capacity that I desired when stepping up to a 19.5". I think I might try the a Nitto style tire with the 3750# rating and see what I think, it might just work fine for me. I don't put a ton of miles on, so it might just work for me.

I don't have to deal with some of the extreme heats some of you southerners have during the summers, so that should help too.

Thanks again.

Do your research on the Vision 19.5 rims. I seem to recall the rims were very wide, wider than 225 tires. I think that is why most folks are running 245 or 265 tires on Vision rims.

You should be able to find 3600 or 3700 pound tires that fit your existing rims.

The price for the tires is a fair one as new the rims and tires would cost about $3500 USD. The question is whether to spend $2500 to get the 8800 lbs. of support at the rear wheels or to spend $800 to have 7500 lbs. of support with the Toyo/Nitto/BFG tires.

You gain 1100 lbs. with the tire only upgrade which is what I did for my truck. I sold the truck's factory tires that had 5,000 miles of use for $400 so my out of pocket for 4 Nitto Terra Grapler tires was less than $500.

I purchased the Wheels and tires from WWW.duallywheels4u.com located in Winter Haven Fl. He will even ship the wheels and tires to your location. I have no affiliation to this establishment except for being a satisfied customer. Good luck Gerry

allygerry wrote:
I bought 4 new Vision wheels and 4 Sumitumo 245/70/19.5 including lug nuts and center caps mounted and balanced for 2200.00. Shop around for new ones. You should pay less than used wheels and tires from that ad. Might save enough in tires and wheels to come down across the border to pay for the fuel used. IMHO Gerry

I would agree the price is high. I paid $1700 for my complete Vision/ Sumitomo set up used, but like new with just a couple thousand miles on them.
The guy I bought them from setup his Ram to haul a truck camper and then decided to go to a class a.

Who did you purchase your wheels and tires from? A dealer name might help the op out.

I found used 19.5 visions and 265x70 tires that were about 85%. I only had to pay $1400 which was a steal here in Alaska. That was 4 years ago, and I am still running them. They help tremendously with sway, but if you drive empty... They are rough. I have studded 16's that I run in the winter. And I have another set of tires if I am not going to use the camper for awhile, but we tend to be spur of the moment campers. So I havnt used those much, and so I usually leave the 19.5 s on.

Good luck! I love knowing that I can travel all over Alaska, and not worry about having marginal tires. I have traveled hundreds of miles on Alaska gravel roads and no issues loaded at 10,600 to 11,000 lbs.

Garry in Kodiak, Ak

I went with the Visions and 245/70R19.5s rated at 4500 on my F350. fits the truck just fine

Plus aside from the load issues you mentions the 19.5 have way stiffer sidewalls than LT tires which eliminate most side to side sway issues

Thanks for all the responses. Initially, I thought all 19.5" rims were rated roughly the same (being 225, 245, 265) Little did I know that there was such weight index differences. A quick research shows that the 225/70 tire is rated for roughly 36xx# some are in the 39xx# range but not many. Seems like I'm not really gaining much, plus the roughly 50# weight penalty of the heavier rims and tires. It doesn't seem like I'm gaining anything above and beyond a regular Nitto type 285/70/17 126 style tire (I realize there are a couple other options, just simplifying)

So, in your opinion, What would you rather have near the weight limit - A 285/70/17 3750# on stock dodge ram rims of unknown weight capacity or visions with 225/70/19.5 with 36xx# capacity?

I have looked into crossing stateside for tires but right now the canadian dollar is killing me. we're at $0.80 to the greenback, plus 2-3% credit card exchange and the Canadian 5% GST hit. So I'm roughly looking at a 30% premium... Tough sell right now. I can easily wait until summer but this just happened to pop up.

I bet I can bargain the guy down but I'm not as wild about this deal anymore. I like the fact that 225's are the same size as stock but they don't seem ideal anymore.