Pulled the trigger today !

[CampingN_C_]

Well after weeks of reading to the bottom of the internet and asking daily questions on here I finally brought home a new Cummins.
Went ahead with the CCLB, man that sucker is long. But it rides sooooo goooood! :B

Can't wait to hook up the trailer for a test tow !!

[ShinerBock]

Cummins12V98 wrote:


Are you are saying Cummins will pay Cummins SW for example to do warranty work on my 15 RAM Cummins 6.7 Engine? This I don't believe.

Or are you saying Chrysler will pay them to do the same? This I may believe.

Neither, I am just saying that the Cummins distributor for my reagan warranties our Cummins engines service repairs. Although, I will state the Cummins Southern plains is a bit different than the of regional distributors for the fact that it is mostly owned by Cummins themselves where most others are not.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
You were suggesting the op do things to his truck that may void his warranty. I am suggesting everyone that considers doing so should get all the facts in writing from these aftermarket guys.

In your opinion, yes they will completely void the warranty. However, reality they are undetectable.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
YouCompletely disagree! You are adding more power at much lower speeds than normal and that will cause extra stress on the drivetrain.

And it is fine to disagree. however in reality all the boost does is move your throttle mapping down. You are not adding any more power to the and at all. All it does is alter your pedal mapping to be more sensitive to inputs like the old cable driven pedals were. The ECM and its nannies still dictate how much power the engine puts out.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bottom line when doing power enhancement one must be willing to be their "Own Warranty Station".

And I am more than willing although these are undetectable and know this by seeing it with my own eyes and not from what someone has told me so......

[blofgren]

I have heard that the throttle sensitivity booster is a good mod. To give an example of an issue my G56 manual transmission truck has is that the RPM's "hang" on every shift of the truck, just like having your foot on the throttle when pushing in the clutch when in fact you don't. I have read many others with manuals complaining of this issue as well so it's a well known issue. I must admit that I haven't done the mod yet though, mostly because I am worried about the possible warranty issues. One possible benefit I have thought about with this condition, however is that it may be helping keep turbo boost up between shifts which is definitely a good thing :B

[Cummins12V98]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

From what I understand Cummins has nothing to do with the warranty it's all Chrysler.


"Well sorry you understood wrong because I can send my 6.7L to the nearest Cummins distributor's service department like Cummins Southern Plains and they can fix and warranty anything engine related"



Are you are saying Cummins will pay Cummins SW for example to do warranty work on my 15 RAM Cummins 6.7 Engine? This I don't believe.

Or are you saying Chrysler will pay them to do the same? This I may believe.



You were suggesting the op do things to his truck that may void his warranty. I am suggesting everyone that considers doing so should get all the facts in writing from these aftermarket guys.



" how would it effect the drivetrain since it adds ZERO extra power"

Completely disagree! You are adding more power at much lower speeds than normal and that will cause extra stress on the drivetrain.



Bottom line when doing power enhancement one must be willing to be their "Own Warranty Station".

[ShinerBock]

Bedlam wrote:

This is of interest to me. When I inquired about service through Cummins NW they told me due to FCA's proprietary engine management, they could not work on them. They are willing to sell me parts, but were not willing to even do scheduled service much less repairs.

I'm sure FCA warranty claims that are Cummins related are charged back to them, but I do not think Cummins handles FCA customers directly. If this is different, enlighten me - I am posting this based on my experience between Navistar and Ford.

Cummins Southern Plains handles our 3500/4500/5500 mobile service trucks. The newest Cummins Insite version 8.1.1 has an update specifically for the Chrysler version of the ISB6.7L. You cannot hook up without the update to a 8.0 or higher version of Insite.

[Bedlam]

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
From what I understand Cummins has nothing to do with the warranty it's all Chrysler.

Well sorry you understood wrong because I can send my 6.7L to the nearest Cummins distributor's service department like Cummins Southern Plains and they can fix and warranty anything engine related.

This is of interest to me. When I inquired about service through Cummins NW they told me due to FCA's proprietary engine management, they could not work on them. They are willing to sell me parts, but were not willing to even do scheduled service much less repairs.

I'm sure FCA warranty claims that are Cummins related are charged back to them, but I do not think Cummins handles FCA customers directly. If this is different, enlighten me - I am posting this based on my experience between Navistar and Ford.

[ShinerBock]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

I was referring to my self on the "Don't see the need"

Why? I was talking to the OP. That is like you having a convo with the OP about your dually and me making a post saying that I don't need a dually. Me posting my needs would be irrelevant there just as yours are in the convo I posted towards the OP.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
On the throttle booster. If they can tell it was there and you had any sort of drivetrain problem they would void that part of your warranty for sure. They have limiters on these trucks with 8-900 TQ for a reason.

Okay, how can they tell if it was there? Also, how would it effect the drivetrain since it adds ZERO extra power and only makes the pedal more responsive to your inputs? I don't think you understand what the throttle boost does exactly.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
From what I understand Cummins has nothing to do with the warranty it's all Chrysler.

Well sorry you understood wrong because I can send my 6.7L to the nearest Cummins distributor's service department like Cummins Southern Plains and they can fix and warranty anything engine related.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
So I would like to see it in writing from BD of EDGE that they will take care if you If Chrysler won't. They may play the Magnuson Moss act card but Chrysler has bigger lawyers.

Have at it.

Here is Edge's email - edgesales@edgeproducts.com

And here is BD's website so you can contact them - http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/contactus/

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Anyway I am not trying to convince you one way or another on any of these products.

Good, because I wouldn't listen anyway, and I have enough knowledge and experience to make my own decision.

[Cummins12V98]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Don't see the need for #2 or #3. I would need to confirm #1 is undetectable before I would consider it.


Need? I didn't say anything about needing it. I just wanted it so I got it.

I was referring to my self on the "Don't see the need"

On the throttle booster. If they can tell it was there and you had any sort of drivetrain problem they would void that part of your warranty for sure. They have limiters on these trucks with 8-900 TQ for a reason.

From what I understand Cummins has nothing to do with the warranty it's all Chrysler.

So I would like to see it in writing from BD of EDGE that they will take care if you If Chrysler won't. They may play the Magnuson Moss act card but Chrysler has bigger lawyers.

Anyway I am not trying to convince you one way or another on any of these products. I just like people to see both sides of the coin before spending their money and possibly being told they will be "Their Own Warranty Station"

[ShinerBock]

Cummins12V98 wrote:



Who told you that these are undetectably by Chrysler? Will BD and EDGE put it in writing? Will they take care of you when your warranty is denied?

Yes, it is undetected unless they hook up and data log while the mods are in place which is why I went this route. My guys with both Cummins Inside and Chrysler software could not detect it. The reason being is that these mods do not reprogram or do anything to the ECM. The only thing they were able to detect from my Edge was when I changed my tire size to correct my speedo for my 34 inch tires.

All these mods do is intercept signals going to and from the ECM and alters them. For the Edge, it takes the signal that the ECM sends to the injectors on its duration and alters that signal right before it gets to the injectors to keep duration longer. For the throttle booster, it takes the input from the drive by wire pedal and alters the throttle input signal being sent to the ECM. All the ECM reads is that you are giving it more throttle, nothing more.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The TH already does what the line pressure lock does, that is why I and many other run TH all the time.

What the line booster does is intercept the signal coming from the ECM to the transmission and alters it to bump up the pressure about 10-20% from what the ECM tells it to do. So it will increase whatever input the ECM tells the transmission in TH mode as well.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don't see the need for #2 or #3. I would need to confirm #1 is undetectable before I would consider it.

Need? I didn't say anything about needing it. I just wanted it so I got it.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bottom line when messing with these new trucks be prepared to be "My own warranty station"

I say all these things because Chrysler does not mess around anymore when it comes to aftermarket products. Back in the day they paid out thru the nose with warranty claims because of undetectable tuners.

I know how warranty works. I used to work for Cummins and various truck manufacturers. It does not work how you think it does. Your whole warranty is not voided unless that mod effects everything on the truck. For example, the throttle booster (if it could be detected) will not void your whole warranty on your truck just because it is there. It will only void the warranty on the parts it effects which is the pedal. Your power train warranty is not effected. So if the throttle booster some how shorted out the TPS on the pedal then only the that part will be denied if it was indeed the throttle booster that caused the short. If it was not the throttle booster that caused the failure and they can't prove that it was then it is warrantable.

Like I said I know how warranty works from dealing with it on a professional level. Half the time the warranty admins (if they have one specifically for that which most small dealerships don't) is some underpaid position with a high turn around rate. Due to this, most in that position are not very knowledgeable on how it works yet like to spew how they think it works after two weeks on the job. I know this because I had to school quite a few of them when I was employed by the manufacturers I worked for on behalf of our fleet customers. Another hint is most technicians and service writers do not know what is or isn't warranty and in many cases tell you it is not warrantable because they get paid less hours through warranty than what they would charge you. So it is in their best interest(and the dealership's) to say it is not warrantable right from the start.

[CampingN_C_]

I can't imagine doing any mods to it at all right now. After coming from a 6 liter gasser to this it has more power than I could have dreamed of. Especially with 'only' a 9000lb trailer behind it. The truck truly accelerates and drives exactly like it does without the camper.
I think I'm even throwing in the towel of maintaining it myself this time, I've always done all of my own work on all my trucks over the years, but I think I'll let the dealer take over from here.
Plus I get free oil changes as long as they keep up with everything else, per the owners manual.

[Cummins12V98]

ShinerBock wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:
Well after weeks of reading to the bottom of the internet and asking daily questions on here I finally brought home a new Cummins.
Went ahead with the CCLB, man that sucker is long. But it rides sooooo goooood! :B

Can't wait to hook up the trailer for a test tow !!

Congrats on the new truck. Now let the modding begin.....

My recommendations if you want mods that connect in between factory harnesses and can be taken off if need without the dealer even knowing.

BD Throttle Sensitivity Booster - Installs between pedal and harness going to ECM. It really livened up the truck making it feel like it had a lot more power just by adjusting the throttle to react better to inputs. Instead of the slow power ramp up with the stock pedal, it is just about instant response when set on 50% and instant response when set at 100%. Just barely toe in on the throttle and the truck goes instantly.


BD Trans Line Pressure Lock - Installs between transmission connector and harness going to ECM. This increases line pressure giving you quicker and firmer shifts by increasing line pressure which makes the transmission feel more solid with the engines power delivery. It also aides in keeping the transmission from slipping as much creating heat and transmission clutch wear increasing the life of the transmission. A lot of people tend to think that smooth buttery shifts are good, but in fact it is not verses a slightly firm shift especially when more engine power is added or towing heavy. Th


Edge Juice W/ Attitude - This installs between injector harness and the harness going back to the ECM. This controls fuel injector duration creating more power and a more efficient burn with various different power levels from Economy lvl 1 to extreme lvl 6. Economy level 1 increases RWTQ by 70 lb-ft, tow power level 2 increases RWTQ by 90 lb-ft, and drive power level 3 increases RWTQ by 120 lb-ft. Extreme level 6 will increase the RWTQ by 250 lb-ft (making total output well over 1,050 lb-ft). I do not set mine past 3 and do not recommend going higher than level 4 unless you have upgraded your driveline. This also works with all emissions systems and does not increase emissions output.

Who told you that these are undetectably by Chrysler? Will BD and EDGE put it in writing? Will they take care of you when your warranty is denied?

The TH already does what the line pressure lock does, that is why I and many other run TH all the time.

Don't see the need for #2 or #3. I would need to confirm #1 is undetectable before I would consider it.

Bottom line when messing with these new trucks be prepared to be "My own warranty station"

I say all these things because Chrysler does not mess around anymore when it comes to aftermarket products. Back in the day they paid out thru the nose with warranty claims because of undetectable tuners.

I went to a TDR seminar at Pahrump NV a few years ago when the 13's were coming out. Stan Gozzi the head West Coast Warranty Rep stated with the new computer system anything done electronically will be detectable.

[ShinerBock]

CampingN.C. wrote:
Well after weeks of reading to the bottom of the internet and asking daily questions on here I finally brought home a new Cummins.
Went ahead with the CCLB, man that sucker is long. But it rides sooooo goooood! :B

Can't wait to hook up the trailer for a test tow !!

Congrats on the new truck. Now let the modding begin.....

My recommendations if you want mods that connect in between factory harnesses and can be taken off if need without the dealer even knowing.

BD Throttle Sensitivity Booster - Installs between pedal and harness going to ECM. It really livened up the truck making it feel like it had a lot more power just by adjusting the throttle to react better to inputs. Instead of the slow power ramp up with the stock pedal, it is just about instant response when set on 50% and instant response when set at 100%. Just barely toe in on the throttle and the truck goes instantly.


BD Trans Line Pressure Lock - Installs between transmission connector and harness going to ECM. This increases line pressure giving you quicker and firmer shifts by increasing line pressure which makes the transmission feel more solid with the engines power delivery. It also aides in keeping the transmission from slipping as much creating heat and transmission clutch wear increasing the life of the transmission. A lot of people tend to think that smooth buttery shifts are good, but in fact it is not verses a slightly firm shift especially when more engine power is added or towing heavy. Th


Edge Juice W/ Attitude - This installs between injector harness and the harness going back to the ECM. This controls fuel injector duration creating more power and a more efficient burn with various different power levels from Economy lvl 1 to extreme lvl 6. Economy level 1 increases RWTQ by 70 lb-ft, tow power level 2 increases RWTQ by 90 lb-ft, and drive power level 3 increases RWTQ by 120 lb-ft. Extreme level 6 will increase the RWTQ by 250 lb-ft (making total output well over 1,050 lb-ft). I do not set mine past 3 and do not recommend going higher than level 4 unless you have upgraded your driveline. This also works with all emissions systems and does not increase emissions output.

[ShinerBock]

nirion wrote:
Congratulations!

Anyone mind sharing where they got $11-12k off of a tradesman? I am seeing around $9k off. I have been kicking around going back to a Cummins.

I got my Laramie $14k off sticker so $11-12k should be that hard to do. Of course I got 2014 at the end of last year when they were getting rid of all the 2014s to make room for the 2015s.

[Bedlam]

I'll admit I'm in the cheap camp.

[45Ricochet]

Cummins12V98 wrote:


From what I have read the average RVer changes and usually up sizes every 3-4 years.

LOL
I'm either slow or cheap or not average I guess.
Ten years for us, but we have Cummins engines :B