Ram 2500
Why is the Ram 2500 crewcab longbed with 6.7 Cummins, even though it's only 6 cylinders has more towing power than the similarly equipped Ford F250 powerstroke diesel, the same displacement at 6.7 but already at 8 cylinders??
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
The Ram has been set up this way since 2003 with the 3rd gen trucks. when hit head on the the engine and trans will brake free and drop to the ground.
Don
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
The Ram has been set up this way since 2003 with the 3rd gen trucks. when hit head on the the engine and trans will brake free and drop to the ground.
Don
ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
ShinerBock wrote:
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
ShinerBock wrote:
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
No it can't.
The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second
As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.
The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.
It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.
Ok I got it now, :W!
That is why a 385 HP 900Lb. Ft. Cummins has a higher towing rating than a 410 HP 429 Lb. Ft. 6.4 hemi! :S
Absolutely Torque has Zero, Nada, Nothing to do with Towing or tow rating! :S
rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
No it can't.
The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second
As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.
The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.
It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.
Ok I got it now, :W!
That is why a 385 HP 900Lb. Ft. Cummins has a higher towing rating than a 410 HP 429 Lb. Ft. 6.4 hemi! :S
Absolutely Torque has Zero, Nada, Nothing to do with Towing or tow rating! :S
ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
ShinerBock wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.
I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
No it can't.
The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second
As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.
The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.
It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
No it can't.
The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second
As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.
The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.
It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.
rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
rhagfo wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:thehippie wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:i thought inline vas more torque than V.
It doesn't.
Where are your numbers coming from?
Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.
To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!
I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.
Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!
That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.
FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
FishOnOne wrote:
I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.
FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.
