Ram 2500

[thehippie]

Why is the Ram 2500 crewcab longbed with 6.7 Cummins, even though it's only 6 cylinders has more towing power than the similarly equipped Ford F250 powerstroke diesel, the same displacement at 6.7 but already at 8 cylinders??

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.

Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.

FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.

I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.


I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.

The Ram has been set up this way since 2003 with the 3rd gen trucks. when hit head on the the engine and trans will brake free and drop to the ground.

Don

Kind of like the 6.0; but instead of crumple it was just made to blow up. :W Or instead of break free, it was designed to just break. :B

[Grit_dog]

Whew! Stopped the incessant string of quotes!!

[Grit_dog]

Nother stellar thread gents! Bravo......

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.

Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.

FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.

I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.


I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.

The Ram has been set up this way since 2003 with the 3rd gen trucks. when hit head on the the engine and trans will brake free and drop to the ground.

Don

[Me_Again]

ShinerBock wrote:



I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.

Fishy reminds me of FE's hatred of LT tires on trailers. So over the top they start making silly statements. Chris

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

thehippie wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It doesn't.

Where are your numbers coming from?

i thought inline vas more torque than V.

Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.

To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!

I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.

Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!

That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.

No it can't.

The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second

As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.

The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.

It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.

Ok I got it now, :W!

That is why a 385 HP 900Lb. Ft. Cummins has a higher towing rating than a 410 HP 429 Lb. Ft. 6.4 hemi! :S

Absolutely Torque has Zero, Nada, Nothing to do with Towing or tow rating! :S

You're still lost.

The Hemi was rated at sea level and so was the oil burner.

Take the Hemi up to the moon (Ike) and it will lose 30/ 40% of it's rated HP because it does not have a turbo. Oh would you look at that!! Now the Cummins has WAY more HORSEPOWER!! It's not a gas/ diesel thing; it's a turbo/ N/A thing. Look at what the EB did to the ED in the PUTs tow-off.

Want to take on my turbo small block in a tow-off up Ike against your oil burner? Lets go and I will show you what HP can do. :B Unlike the Hemi; my small block has a turbo and it will make around the same amount of rated HP at sea level or up in the mountains.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.

Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.

FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.

I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.


I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.

You're making assumptions.... The power band I was referring to was engines in semis and the i6 engine I was referring to was a Chevy truck.

[rhagfo]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

thehippie wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It doesn't.

Where are your numbers coming from?

i thought inline vas more torque than V.

Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.

To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!

I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.

Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!

That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.

No it can't.

The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second

As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.

The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.

It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.

Ok I got it now, :W!

That is why a 385 HP 900Lb. Ft. Cummins has a higher towing rating than a 410 HP 429 Lb. Ft. 6.4 hemi! :S

Absolutely Torque has Zero, Nada, Nothing to do with Towing or tow rating! :S

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

thehippie wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It doesn't.

Where are your numbers coming from?

i thought inline vas more torque than V.

Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.

To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!

I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.

Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!

That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.

No it can't.

The definition of horsepower:
A unit of power equal to 550 foot pounds per second

As you can see from this formula the engine with the most HP will
ALWAYS win.

The engine with the largest HP will lift the most weight, pull the fastest and will win in any towing race or drag race or contest. ALWAYS It's a given because that is the actual definition of HP.

It does not matter if it's a diesel or gas or propane or steam or turbine or inline or V8 or even human power. HP will always win.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.

Yes, but the short powerband that you mentioned earlier is due to the bore/stroke ratio not because it is an I6. Even the old Caterpillar 3408 V8 engines that used to be in semi's had a very short powerband just like the I6 engines. The short powerband that is a PITA has nothing to do with it being an I6.

FishOnOne wrote:
I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.

I've seen wrecked V8s pushed into firewalls as well so I don't get your point here. The engine isn't suppose to crumble. It is suppose to ejected to the bottom of the truck in a crash.


I am starting to wonder about you man. Do you honestly hate Cummins engines this bad? It seems like you are going out of your way here to piss on it.

[FishOnOne]

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

thehippie wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It doesn't.

Where are your numbers coming from?

i thought inline vas more torque than V.

Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.

To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!

I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.

Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!

Yada, Yada, Yada :h

No Torque is not power, no way at all.

That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.

My antique 2001 Ram CTD with less than 280 hp,and 288,000 miles does a great job of moving between 19,500 to 20,000# CGVW uphill and down.

None of the HP is everything and torque is nothing, can't seem to explain that to me, oh an i have 3.55 gears to top it off. So now i am really confused as to how i do it.
:h :h :h

Why do you always apply your mileage to every scenario discussed here?

My take away from your statement is you have a low expectation for performance... We get it! But that's OK :B

[FishOnOne]

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Also notice how short the power band is. Not a big deal when your running a lot of highway miles, but is a PITA when having to run around city/town speeds.

I would also suspect that crash tests standards maybe more difficult to achieve with a straight six.

I have owned a 1993 RAM, a 2001.5 RAM and now a 2015. I can only assume that you have never owned or driven one.

Regarding crash test, let me run into you with one and see who walks away. Chris

I have driven a pre production Dodge Ram with a cummins to be put on display in a truck market full of wealthy farmers and ranchers who love diesel trucks. I can assume I driven a Dodge cummins before you knew they ever exist. :W

Your crash test statement proves your a complete idiot and full of hatred! :B Troy

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Also notice how short the power band is. Not a big deal when your running a lot of highway miles, but is a PITA when having to run around city/town speeds.

I would also suspect that crash tests standards maybe more difficult to achieve with a straight six.

The engine configuration does not determine the powerband either. The bore/stroke ratio does. An oversquare inline 6 can rev high just like the BMW N55 3.0L engines that redline at 7,500 rpm. Likewise an undersquare V8 can have a lower limit like the Ford 5.4L with a 5,200 rpm redline in the F150. The more undersquare an engine is the lower it's max speed and the lower it gets it's peak torque. It has nothing to do with cylinder configuration.

I don't see how an engine configuration would affect crash test ratings if it was made to break away properly in a wreck though.

I believe the power band I'm referring to is addressed in your article under the cons section with a Bore/Stroke configuration as semis have.

I've seen a wrecked truck with a I6 pushed into the fire wall in which invaded the interior space pretty bad. Engines don't crumble and absorb energy during a frontal impact. Another example but with a Ford V10 was the Ford SVT team was looking at utilizing a V10 in the second generation Lightning, but because of the extra long engine it wouldn't pass their crash test standards (again invading the interior space)at the time so that scenario was canned.

[rhagfo]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

thehippie wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It doesn't.

Where are your numbers coming from?

i thought inline vas more torque than V.

Nope, torque is not power. Never has been and never will be.

To give you an example: On a bike I can put out around 225 Ft/lbs of torque. If I had a 5 foot crank I could put out more torque than a new Cummins 6.7 engine at the crank!

I can put out only about a 1/2 a HP for a short period of time.

Even though I can put out a lot of torque I would not make a good TV engine!

Yada, Yada, Yada :h

No Torque is not power, no way at all.

That is why a Diesel with less HP than a gasser can pull a lot more weight.

My antique 2001 Ram CTD with less than 280 hp,and 288,000 miles does a great job of moving between 19,500 to 20,000# CGVW uphill and down.

None of the HP is everything and torque is nothing, can't seem to explain that to me, oh an i have 3.55 gears to top it off. So now i am really confused as to how i do it.
:h :h :h