Ram Payloads- Seriously|||

[dougk53]

Just for giggles on a rainy day while camping went to look at Ram 2500's. Presently have the combination in my signature and it does very well. After a detailed explanation of my requirements the salesman proceeds to bring out trucks that have no bearing on what I was interested in. While the trucks were out I took a look at payloads and was blown away. A 6.4 Hemi Power wagon had a payload of 1700# and a Cummins Laramie had a payload of 1450#. I am well aware of optioning affecting payload and other factors but I am having a hard time understanding anyone purchasing a $66k diesel truck and not being able to do anything with it but carry some 2x4's and plywood. People earn their money and can spend it how they wish but personally I have difficulty seeing a burgeoning market for such vehicles But I am more then likely wrong. Also I am aware of RAWR being a consideration and that the Cummins will pull but seeing numbers that don't even equal my F150 left me at a loss.

Doug

[Grit_dog]

MudChucker wrote:
i just put a pallet of concrete sacks in my bed (5500 pounds) and it made the truck squat a little..

Do people really care what the sticker says that much ? DOT really seem to be all over the 2500 and 250's but virtually ignore the 3500's.

Around these parts if the tires dont rub you are good to go...trouble with heavy loads is the beer tilts in the cup holder and spills a little so you find yourself guzzling the top 2 inches every time you crack a fresh one.

Bingo. That's about it.....and the post about gvw being more regulatory than capacity related.
It does make for about 10 heated discussions a week here between those that believe only in the posted numbers and those that either understand a vehicle's capability or simply don't obsess over a sticker!

[CampingN_C_]

LIKE2BUILD wrote:

BillyW wrote:
3/4 ton diesels lack payload due to nothing but politics and taxes. The Power Wagon is a special beast and isn't purchased for payload.

^^^^ This is correct ^^^^^^^

Unfortunately with 2500 trucks you really have to sift through the numbers. To be badged as a 2500 the government limits the GVWR at 10,000 lbs. My RAM is a seriously heavy truck....every component underneath is massive. So, at 10K minus the truck weight there isn't much payload......technically.

Now, if you break down the real numbers it's much different. The FAWR is 5,000 and the RAWR is 6,500. So, in real life that is 11,500 GVWR and about 3,500lbs avaialble on the rear axle.

KJ

Nail hit on the head right there !!

[GordonThree]

Power wagon isn't a tow/haul vehicle, it's a rock crawling / off roading vehicle.

What's the payload # on Ford's factory rock crawling package, if they even have one?

I'm happy with the 3300 lbs payload on my 2017 Ram 2500.

[Vanished]

dougk53 wrote:
Just for giggles on a rainy day while camping went to look at Ram 2500's. Presently have the combination in my signature and it does very well. After a detailed explanation of my requirements the salesman proceeds to bring out trucks that have no bearing on what I was interested in. While the trucks were out I took a look at payloads and was blown away. A 6.4 Hemi Power wagon had a payload of 1700# and a Cummins Laramie had a payload of 1450#. I am well aware of optioning affecting payload and other factors but I am having a hard time understanding anyone purchasing a $66k diesel truck and not being able to do anything with it but carry some 2x4's and plywood. People earn their money and can spend it how they wish but personally I have difficulty seeing a burgeoning market for such vehicles But I am more then likely wrong. Also I am aware of RAWR being a consideration and that the Cummins will pull but seeing numbers that don't even equal my F150 left me at a loss.

Doug

Are your Power Wagon vs Cummins Laramie numbers backwards?

My wagon is at 1424lbs, my Cummins (3500SRW) is 3957lbs..

Gotta get the right tool for the job.. If i wanted to tow with the Hemi the non Power Wagons gain about 1500 lbs or around 3000 lb payload IIRC...

[kmbelt]

My 2500 6.4 has a payload of 3100lbs or so if i remember my door sticker correctly.

[mikeh449]

my 2500 ctd has a payload of 3500# crew cab 8 ft bed

[LIKE2BUILD]

BillyW wrote:
3/4 ton diesels lack payload due to nothing but politics and taxes. The Power Wagon is a special beast and isn't purchased for payload.

^^^^ This is correct ^^^^^^^

Unfortunately with 2500 trucks you really have to sift through the numbers. To be badged as a 2500 the government limits the GVWR at 10,000 lbs. My RAM is a seriously heavy truck....every component underneath is massive. So, at 10K minus the truck weight there isn't much payload......technically.

Now, if you break down the real numbers it's much different. The FAWR is 5,000 and the RAWR is 6,500. So, in real life that is 11,500 GVWR and about 3,500lbs avaialble on the rear axle.

KJ

[camp-n-family]

Rams have always had low payloads but I'm surprised a 2500 was that low. My '14 2500 Laramie with a 5.7 Hemi was just over 2200lbs. Just picked up my new 2500 Laramie 6.7 diesel and it show 2040lbs.

If you look at some of the loaded up 1500s you will find some sub 1k payloads which is ridiculous for any truck. And people on here make fun of Tundras.

[rhagfo]

dougk53 wrote:
Tell you what you need to do is learn some reading comprehension. The post was not about 150 capabilities but about how shocked I was with a 1450# payload on a 2500 Cummins. Previously had a GMC 2500 that rusted out underneath. Got the 150 because DW had 2 spinal surgeries and was in line for a third and the ride was much better than a 250 and she was more comfortable driving it and accessing it. It does the job with our 7700# TT within all ratings and while I would have gotten at least a Heavy Duty it did not fit our current situation.

Doug

Maybe you need to reread your post, as you compare the payloads to your F150.
That said 250/2500 can have very low listed payloads as they are far heaver and stoutly built than your F150. In reality they are 350/3500's with a GVWR limit of 10,000#.
If you looked at any brand 250/2500 loaded TV the payload would be equally low!
That is why we all state of buying new and there is t a huge registration hit get the 350/3500, so the numbers look better as the are basicly the same truck.

[JIMNLIN]

Hell look up the specs on any truck and we can find equally very low or high worthless GVWR based payload numbers.

Case in point is a F150 with a 3200 lb payload sticker. There is no F150 anything that can carry 3200 lbs in the bed without exceeding its RAWR. About the most any F150HD 4800 RAWR can carry in the bed is around 2400-2500 lbs.

Or a GM/Ram owners bragging about his hemi or 6.0 gas truck with a 3640 lb payload sticker. Again....there is no 2500 Ram or GM truck with enough RAWR to carry 3640 lbs in the bed. And about the most a 250/2500 gas trucks can carry in the bed is in the 3200-3300 lb range. Same with the diesel powered truck

Looking at mfg payload specs one finds what one wants to find with any brand trucks GVWR based payload numbers.

[MudChucker]

i just put a pallet of concrete sacks in my bed (5500 pounds) and it made the truck squat a little..

Do people really care what the sticker says that much ? DOT really seem to be all over the 2500 and 250's but virtually ignore the 3500's.

Around these parts if the tires dont rub you are good to go...trouble with heavy loads is the beer tilts in the cup holder and spills a little so you find yourself guzzling the top 2 inches every time you crack a fresh one.

[jerem0621]

I posted something similar once when I looked at a 2500 Mega Cab Laramie Longhorn 4x4 Cummins and it had about 1,700 lbs of payload. I was told by one poster..."put 1700 lbs in the bed of the truck and it won't even squat it." I kind of believe him.

It was one of the facts that have lead me to call the payload sticker the silly yellow sticker as it makes no sense at all.

Ford and the F150 has a GVWR on the Max tow packages that is very close to the Sum of the Axle ratings. While vehicles like the Ram 1500 have a huge difference between the sum of the axle ratings and the GVWR. I didn't compare the difference beteeen the 3/4 ton axle ratings and the GVWR but I believe they are more related to the GVWR of 10,000 lbs they are trying to stay under than the components capability.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[alexleblanc]

you most likely looked at the two lowest payload configurations available. My last Diesel 3/4ton (2013 F250 CCSB 4x4 with the 6.7) had just over 2300lbs of payload - I'm sure a similar 2500 Ram with the cummins would be in that ballpark too. Either way, if you're buying new, why not just go straight to the 3500 and not have any payload concerns?

[dougk53]

Tell you what you need to do is learn some reading comprehension. The post was not about 150 capabilities but about how shocked I was with a 1450# payload on a 2500 Cummins. Previously had a GMC 2500 that rusted out underneath. Got the 150 because DW had 2 spinal surgeries and was in line for a third and the ride was much better than a 250 and she was more comfortable driving it and accessing it. It does the job with our 7700# TT within all ratings and while I would have gotten at least a Heavy Duty it did not fit our current situation.

Doug

[transamz9]

Tell you what you need to do OP. Take that Ram down to the RV store and hook it to a 35 5th wheel and take it for a drive. Then take the F150 and hook it to the same RV. Tell us if there's a difference in how they handle the weight. 😉