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RobertRyan wrote:
You might want to re-read what he said! Diesel's in Europe are dead not yet in the America's. But the EPA is working on that for you Tro
I think he maybe exaggerating for US purposes by a considerable margin. Still new diesels are coming from the Europeans and others
Hyundai Diesel Hybrid for Europe in 2019
Again re-read what the man said. He said diesels are dead in Europe not in the America's. That means yes diesels will still be coming to North and South America!!! And the Land Down Under too!
Don- The fact is, most people nowdays have a truck that has replaced the family sedan, but with the ability to go to Home Depot for a few weekend warrior projects. In reality, probably 80% never hitch a heavy trailer on.
The people who RV is a small click as compared to the overall truck buying market. We need our trucks to do certain things that 95% of the population doesn't. I camp now maybe 1-2 times a year and the other 48 weeks out of the year, the camper really gets nowhere near the hitch.
I won't buy the truck because it has a timing belt, but just because something doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a viable option for somebody else. Don't be too quick to judge the merits of something if it doesn't pertain to you.
As far as the price EVERYTHING is stupidly expensive, this truck included. alexleblanc wrote:
i'll be interested to see various cab/bed and trim level combinations with the diesel and what the productions version of the truck's MPG performance will be - this is a pre-production model with a lot of hard test miles on it in the heaviest combination that the truck can be had with so let's not take this as gospel for the new diesel offering quite yet.
It did pretty decent and while I think there's some room for improvement its in the same ballpark as the Ram ED.
My thoughts as well. I like seeing these new offerings cause not everyone is going to need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. A lot of people live in suburbia and don't need anything more then just this. Occasionally towing, but most of Home Depot or Lowes runs. I use a 3/4 ton because I need it, but most folks just don't. And the newer generation is not wanting large vehicles so I see the market growing in the 1/2 ton or even mid sized trucks. There's nothing wrong with a 1/2 ton diesel doing its Job. I think everyone knows it won't pull like a larger diesel... and that's fine I don't think most care. I really think give it a few years and these smaller diesels will be more popular then most think. That's my take.- i'll be interested to see various cab/bed and trim level combinations with the diesel and what the productions version of the truck's MPG performance will be - this is a pre-production model with a lot of hard test miles on it in the heaviest combination that the truck can be had with so let's not take this as gospel for the new diesel offering quite yet.
It did pretty decent and while I think there's some room for improvement its in the same ballpark as the Ram ED. Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Oh BTW where are all those clowns that told me Ford and GM will never build a small diesel! You know back when I said with in four years both will be following FCA?Ram with their own offering? Where you boys at? I can't what to see GM's offering, IMO they got it right going with a in-line six and their ten speed! Why to go GM!
Don
You may want to consult with your big boss since it was him that recently said diesel is dead and will be phased out.
You might want to re-read what he said! Diesel's in Europe are dead not yet in the America's. But the EPA is working on that for you Troy.
But what does that have to do with the my statement you quoted? Back when I said Ford and GM would be following FCA/Ram I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. The Blue Oval Mafia and the Bow-Tie Mafia claimed no baby diesels for their brands! Even though I was told by a Ford truck engineer at the Detroit Auto Show Ford would have a diesel in the f-150 within four years.
The part that blows my mind is the low fuel mileage the Ford is showing. TFL shows it @ 24.4 empty (as a note the truck showed 27.3?) and 11.6 towing. The Ram was 27 and change and 13.3 towing. I would think that their "re-calibration" had something to do with that. I had read that Ford was claiming they would take the MPG crown from Ram but they didn't come close. I thought they would also for the record. Goes to show that ZF was 100% correct in saying adding more gears would not be worth the cost for them.
Still the Ecoboost can't come close to either it's sable mate nor the Ram Ecodiesel in fuel mileage empty or towing. The only way the Ecoboost comes close to it's claimed mileage is with a strong tail wind and an egg between your foot and the go peddle!
Don
If you read Motor Trends test of the new Powerstroke in a Platinum 4x4 it got better mpg than the Ecodiesel and also 0 to 60 times were quicker in the new Powerstroke. In fact it was only .6 seconds slower to 60 than the 2.7 Ecoboost. It will be interesting when the
2019 Ram comes out with the improved Ecodiesel.Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Oh BTW where are all those clowns that told me Ford and GM will never build a small diesel! You know back when I said with in four years both will be following FCA?Ram with their own offering? Where you boys at? I can't what to see GM's offering, IMO they got it right going with a in-line six and their ten speed! Why to go GM!
Don
You may want to consult with your big boss since it was him that recently said diesel is dead and will be phased out.
You might want to re-read what he said! Diesel's in Europe are dead not yet in the America's. But the EPA is working on that for you Troy.
But what does that have to do with the my statement you quoted? Back when I said Ford and GM would be following FCA/Ram I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. The Blue Oval Mafia and the Bow-Tie Mafia claimed no baby diesels for their brands! Even though I was told by a Ford truck engineer at the Detroit Auto Show Ford would have a diesel in the f-150 within four years.
The part that blows my mind is the low fuel mileage the Ford is showing. TFL shows it @ 24.4 empty (as a note the truck showed 27.3?) and 11.6 towing. The Ram was 27 and change and 13.3 towing. I would think that their "re-calibration" had something to do with that. I had read that Ford was claiming they would take the MPG crown from Ram but they didn't come close. I thought they would also for the record. Goes to show that ZF was 100% correct in saying adding more gears would not be worth the cost for them.
Still the Ecoboost can't come close to either it's sable mate nor the Ram Ecodiesel in fuel mileage empty or towing. The only way the Ecoboost comes close to it's claimed mileage is with a strong tail wind and an egg between your foot and the go peddle!
Don
I stand corrected and you are correct about the focus will be to reduce diesels in Europe- Sounds like Hyundai is going to do like Ram did with the 48 volt system. Should be a big help in city driving.
You might want to re-read what he said! Diesel's in Europe are dead not yet in the America's. But the EPA is working on that for you Tro
I think he maybe exaggerating for US purposes by a considerable margin. Still new diesels are coming from the Europeans and others
Hyundai Diesel Hybrid for Europe in 2019FishOnOne wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Oh BTW where are all those clowns that told me Ford and GM will never build a small diesel! You know back when I said with in four years both will be following FCA?Ram with their own offering? Where you boys at? I can't what to see GM's offering, IMO they got it right going with a in-line six and their ten speed! Why to go GM!
Don
You may want to consult with your big boss since it was him that recently said diesel is dead and will be phased out.
You might want to re-read what he said! Diesel's in Europe are dead not yet in the America's. But the EPA is working on that for you Troy.
But what does that have to do with the my statement you quoted? Back when I said Ford and GM would be following FCA/Ram I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. The Blue Oval Mafia and the Bow-Tie Mafia claimed no baby diesels for their brands! Even though I was told by a Ford truck engineer at the Detroit Auto Show Ford would have a diesel in the f-150 within four years.
The part that blows my mind is the low fuel mileage the Ford is showing. TFL shows it @ 24.4 empty (as a note the truck showed 27.3?) and 11.6 towing. The Ram was 27 and change and 13.3 towing. I would think that their "re-calibration" had something to do with that. I had read that Ford was claiming they would take the MPG crown from Ram but they didn't come close. I thought they would also for the record. Goes to show that ZF was 100% correct in saying adding more gears would not be worth the cost for them.
Still the Ecoboost can't come close to either it's sable mate nor the Ram Ecodiesel in fuel mileage empty or towing. The only way the Ecoboost comes close to it's claimed mileage is with a strong tail wind and an egg between your foot and the go peddle!
Don- You would be a blind idiot in denial or just an opposer trying to sell a narrative to think or say that a large percentage of 3.0 diesels won’t be purchased with towing economy in mind. Apply common sense or spend a few minutes on the tow haul section of the ram1500diesel forum.
I never understood why someone would try to sell this narrative it’s not like these trucks threaten to replace any existing engine options. It’s a nitch platform that will only round out the offerings to keep the 5 to 10 percent of 1/2 ton sales that Ram & Ford have said they expect from being pirated or lost to the competition in this case of Ford.
