I think I have finally had it. People in cars and trucks that think that they can see you so you can see them at dusk or early morning are plain wrong. This year as we begin our USA trek with our TT I do uses the I ways as opposed to the secondary as in past to many people have made our trips scary at times. Sometimes I have had to go to the shoulder as someone passes me only to realize there is an oncoming car. Police and legislatures need to make it mandatory for cars to use their running lights all of the time in the interest of safety.Hope everyone has a safe and wonderful winter season.

That is why vehicles in Europe have what is known as middle loight, it is not the high beam nor the driving light but the dimmed driving light, they are turned on when the engine is running and the parking brake is released.They also have a bright red light on the left tail light assembly that turns on when the fog lights are switched on so that when driving in a fog the vehicle in back can see the red light and know there is a car or truck in front.Sun up and sun down are the most dangerous times on the road.This time of daylight is known to the truckers as zero hour, you can not see well with the lights on and you can not see with out them, it is better to wait until there is more light or it gets darker.navagator

Daytime running lights have been required in Canada since 1989 according to Google, but when on the road I always have my headlights on.

I e never had any issues with cars on secondary roads. If a car is almost going to hit you they aren’t paying attention, lights or no lights!

They might try adjusting those running lights as they only work on the low beam but 1/2 the time are blinding you in the dark. I bought a 99 F-350 new in MD that came from Canada and the lights came on when you started it. I had the dealer disconnect that.

ferndaleflyer wrote:They might try adjusting those running lights as they only work on the low beam but 1/2 the time are blinding you in the dark. I bought a 99 F-350 new in MD that came from Canada and the lights came on when you started it. I had the dealer disconnect that.Running light on with low beams ????? To what purpose would that be. They are on all the time when your headlights are off. A 99 Ford is not even part of the world of cars and trucks today.

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wing_zealot
Explorer
Oct 22, 2021
Grit dog wrote:
Bird Freak wrote:
spoon059 wrote:
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

Wow, really? Read the article, it mentions a study. If you can't verify these truths with your own eyes, I don't know how else to talk to you...
Take a nap Spoon. Your getting really CRANKY in your old age! Ha

Well, ole w_z is doing his best impersonation of a typical RV.net member who would argue that the sky isn’t blue. Can’t blame spoon fer that!
Sorry that my little two sentence post went over your head G D. Next time I won't use compound sentences.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Oct 22, 2021
Bird Freak wrote:
spoon059 wrote:
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

Wow, really? Read the article, it mentions a study. If you can't verify these truths with your own eyes, I don't know how else to talk to you...
Take a nap Spoon. Your getting really CRANKY in your old age! Ha

Well, ole w_z is doing his best impersonation of a typical RV.net member who would argue that the sky isn’t blue. Can’t blame spoon fer that!
spoon059
Explorer II
Oct 21, 2021
MFL wrote:
As Spoon mentioned, motorcycle training, which is defensive riding at it's peak, will make a better driver of you, no matter what you drive.

Jerry

Easy Jerry, they are going to start calling you cranky and demanding studies!
MFL
Nomad II
Oct 21, 2021
spoon059 wrote:
Motorcycle training and emergency vehicle operations courses have taught me to not overdrive my vision. Being able to see twice as far away is an advantage to educated people.

I have only read the last couple pages, but have noticed motorcycles referenced several times. MCs were required to have lights on all the time, when sold new, for many years.

I know this is about cars/trucks/etc, but riding a MC, you want to be very visible to stay safe. If you notice the cat eye headlights on my bike, I want to tell you, they are super visible, even in the daytime!

As Spoon mentioned, motorcycle training, which is defensive riding at it's peak, will make a better driver of you, no matter what you drive.

Jerry
Bird_Freak
Explorer II
Oct 20, 2021
spoon059 wrote:
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

Wow, really? Read the article, it mentions a study. If you can't verify these truths with your own eyes, I don't know how else to talk to you...
Take a nap Spoon. Your getting really CRANKY in your old age! Ha
Grit_dog
Navigator
Oct 20, 2021
This thread has the same potential as the recent running your generator after hours thread that hit the final buzzer yesterday.
Keeper up boys!
JRscooby
Explorer II
Oct 20, 2021
Campfire Time wrote:
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

I agree the study should be cited. Sloppy journalism. That said, there is no study needed. It's common sense and we see the effects every day. It's about visibility. I don't need a study to recognize it's easier to see vehicles with their lights on during the day. Moreover, there is tons of verifiable data out there to support the effectiveness. Google is your friend.

No doubt you can see a light at longer distance. But if all cars have lights on, they will be no more noticed. And the car, half mile away, lights on or off is not the danger to you that the 1 100 yards away. And if it must have a light to be safe how do you walk from car to store?
Campfire_Time
Explorer
Oct 20, 2021
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

I agree the study should be cited. Sloppy journalism. That said, there is no study needed. It's common sense and we see the effects every day. It's about visibility. I don't need a study to recognize it's easier to see vehicles with their lights on during the day. Moreover, there is tons of verifiable data out there to support the effectiveness. Google is your friend.
spoon059
Explorer II
Oct 20, 2021
wing_zealot wrote:
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

Wow, really? Read the article, it mentions a study. If you can't verify these truths with your own eyes, I don't know how else to talk to you...
tomman58
Explorer
Oct 20, 2021
I will normally get a very early start on my cross country drives and the most dangerous time is early am when the sun has yet to rise. Near large cites with no street lighting. This is when someone come from behind you on the interstate and you fail to be able to see them in your mirrors. Ever been there ? I put on thousands of miles with my TT each year in the dusk and dawn or even a thunderstorm and those DRLs are a blessing period.