Same horse power and torque is up to 450ft/lbs. Also a duel fuel system and a servo controlled waste gate.This engine appears to raise the bar on pulling performance and fuel economy could raise the bar on gas engines.The 10 speed appears to be equally an impressive piece that is a very compact package.Link

:) Hi, Thank You for supplying the link. Love to have all the new stuff, but my 2014 has to go for another 8 years and about another 75,000 miles before I buy another new truck. This might be my last tow vehicle.

That is a lot of power in a small package. It specs out about as good as my 6.8L behemoth.

Looks exciting! But I'm with Bob...I'm driving my current one as far as it will take me. I'm 46 now. Hope that this truck is the last I buy. In my mid 50's we will switch from trailer to our retirement motorhome.

Very interesting, thanks. Have to wonder at what point all those gears becomes a reliability liability as those torque numbers continue to go stratospheric and the room available stays essentially the same.

Wow 450 ft lbs of torque. Crazy!!! Love to have one but I need payload.

Second Gen 3.5 EcoBoost and 10 Speed Transmission

hemismith
Explorer
May 19, 2016
With a 516 lb-ft torque rating you'd think it would be beefy enough for anything you'd actually want to try to tow with either of the Hemis, but I guess they could get a slightly higher tow rating for marketing purposes with the other transmission.
FishOnOne
Nomad
May 17, 2016
Frostbitte wrote:
RoyJ wrote:
captnjack wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
I'm hoping this drivetrain makes it way into at least the F250, it would be a stellar combo imo.

I agree. What are they waiting for?

Probably strength and durability.

Even with fixed input (engine) power, the more mass is behind a transmission, the sturdier it has to be. This is also the reason Ram still doesn't have the 8 speed ZF behind the 6.4 Hemi on HD trucks. Also an excellent transmission btw.

Agreed. The 8-speed in our Durango is always in the right gear and is smooth as butter and doesn't exhibit shift busyness. It just does it's thing.
I do imagine at some point RAM beefing up their 8-speeds for heavy duty applications or turning to Aisin when the time comes.

Ram doesn't produce the 8 speed transmission. It's been outsourced to ZF.
Frostbitte
Explorer
May 17, 2016
RoyJ wrote:
captnjack wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
I'm hoping this drivetrain makes it way into at least the F250, it would be a stellar combo imo.

I agree. What are they waiting for?

Probably strength and durability.

Even with fixed input (engine) power, the more mass is behind a transmission, the sturdier it has to be. This is also the reason Ram still doesn't have the 8 speed ZF behind the 6.4 Hemi on HD trucks. Also an excellent transmission btw.

Agreed. The 8-speed in our Durango is always in the right gear and is smooth as butter and doesn't exhibit shift busyness. It just does it's thing.
I do imagine at some point RAM beefing up their 8-speeds for heavy duty applications or turning to Aisin when the time comes.
captnjack
Explorer
May 17, 2016
RoyJ wrote:
captnjack wrote:
Strength and durability of what? The transmission? There are stronger transmissions out there they could use. Or beef up this one.

Transmission of course.

"Beef up" can imply hundreds of millions of $ of R&D and re-tooling. You don't think Ram would've beefed up the 8 speed by now for their HDs? Or use stronger ones out there, like the variant on the Rolls Phantom?

Good point. Easier said than done.
noteven
Explorer III
May 15, 2016
Does Ford have a "bad" auto trans in late model pickups?
tragusa3
Explorer
May 15, 2016
alexleblanc wrote:
Honestly, give me the Ecoboost with the current 6 speed than, worthy upgrade over the 6.2 imo, at least in the SRW trucks.

Ford thought so too in the Raptor.
alexleblanc
Explorer
May 15, 2016
Honestly, give me the Ecoboost with the current 6 speed than, worthy upgrade over the 6.2 imo, at least in the SRW trucks.
RoyJ
Explorer
May 15, 2016
captnjack wrote:
Strength and durability of what? The transmission? There are stronger transmissions out there they could use. Or beef up this one.

Transmission of course.

"Beef up" can imply hundreds of millions of $ of R&D and re-tooling. You don't think Ram would've beefed up the 8 speed by now for their HDs? Or use stronger ones out there, like the variant on the Rolls Phantom?
captnjack
Explorer
May 15, 2016
RoyJ wrote:
captnjack wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
I'm hoping this drivetrain makes it way into at least the F250, it would be a stellar combo imo.

I agree. What are they waiting for?

Probably strength and durability.

Even with fixed input (engine) power, the more mass is behind a transmission, the sturdier it has to be. This is also the reason Ram still doesn't have the 8 speed ZF behind the 6.4 Hemi on HD trucks. Also an excellent transmission btw.

Strength and durability of what? The transmission? There are stronger transmissions out there they could use. Or beef up this one.
RoyJ
Explorer
May 14, 2016
captnjack wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
I'm hoping this drivetrain makes it way into at least the F250, it would be a stellar combo imo.

I agree. What are they waiting for?

Probably strength and durability.

Even with fixed input (engine) power, the more mass is behind a transmission, the sturdier it has to be. This is also the reason Ram still doesn't have the 8 speed ZF behind the 6.4 Hemi on HD trucks. Also an excellent transmission btw.