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Seeking th perfect Couples Trailer - just me and my wife ...

cwmoser
Explorer II
Explorer II
I'm trying to find the perfect "Couples Trailer" for just me and
my wife. I'm 6'2" but can deal with a short mattress if necessary. We are first timers but have been looking and asking lots of questions. Just haven't found anything that jumps up and tells me to pull the trigger.


These are some things I think I want:
- Queen-size bed - Murphy be nice, prefer North/South bed
- Full bathroom - not a wet bath - separate toilet and shower (wife demands this)
- Under 4,000 lbs - towing with my 2002 Lexus LX470 SUV, 6,000lb tow capacity
- Prefer 7' to 7.5' wide so I can see the rear more easily.
- When not in use, it will be parked outside in driveway - no shelter - water, sun deterioration?


Some Travel Trailers on my short list so far:
- R-Pod 180 - 2800lbs 19โ€™ Slide, dry bath
- Lance 1685 โ€“ 4032lbs, 21โ€™ x8โ€™ Slide dual-axle
- Lance 1575 โ€“ 2915lbs 20โ€™ single axlefold out arm shower Front window, power jack. Slide
- Apex Nano 191RBS โ€“ 3315 lbs, N/S bed, 7.5โ€™ wide, 22โ€™ long, Slide
- Starcraft Launch Mini 17QB โ€“ Queen Bed, 3,000lbs, 21.5โ€™L, 7โ€™W
- Rockwood Mini Lite 1905 โ€“ 3127lbs, 20โ€™ long, 8โ€™wide single axle

Love to dump the dineete table and replace with a Sofa.
Don't want to overtax my SUV.

My questions are:
- Of these Travel trailers, what is your opinion as to function and quality?
- Got any better suggestions?

Thanks -- Carl
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nypatnva
Explorer
Explorer
We have a 1966 airstream 23 ft I restored for camping on and off the grid. Perfect for wife and I for camping for a week or two. But, It was a bother to haul long distances to visit relatives in a northern state especially being we spent more time visiting than camping. So, I restored a 1970 scotty Highlander 15" from frame up. We use that for sleeping only on long trips. My point is look at used. There are a lot of trailers/campers that people bought to camp and discovered they don't like it. Just Sayin.
2016 dodge ram
champion generator 1978 Serro Scotty Highlander (restored)

SoundGuy
Explorer
Explorer
cwmoser wrote:
That $17.9K price did not include the built in Grill, nor did it include a Ladder on the rear. I'm thinking I would like to have those options. Also a Bike Rack.

Dealer wanted $800 for a Weight Distribution/Sway Control hitch - that price includes installation.


Many dealers order models without the exterior grill but personally I'd prefer to have it than to not even though a grill will introduce greasy cooking smells into the camper instead of a stove that won't. The upside is you can easily swap that grill out for a standard 2-burner Coleman stove just as I did. Keep in mind though that this grill (or stove) is not connected to the trailer's propane gas system so you still have to connect a canister or tank to it. However, just pulling the stove out of the side of the camper for use is much more convenient than digging a stand alone stove out of storage and setting it up each time for use.

Personally I wouldn't have a ladder on the back of the trailer and in fact have never seen one on any Freedom Express, I guess because dealers here just don't order these trailers with a ladder, viewing them as a costly option that in reality is used little. However, if you're convinced you want one you'd want to order the trailer with the ladder factory installed and not after the fact by the dealer as any model without a ladder won't have the proper backing inside the rear wall to support the ladder mounts.

Bike rack? - terrible idea if you're talking about something hanging off the rear of the trailer, even if secured to the trailer frame, as that will only serve to unduly unload trailer tongue weight and potentially cause handling issues, especially on such a short trailer as this. If you want a bike rack mount one over the trailer's A-frame, such as this Canadian built Arvika Bike Rack System.

There are weight distribution systems and weight distribution systems so naturally the question is - just which WD system is the dealer quoting? You can purchase a basic round bar or trunnion bar system that requires the use of a separate sway bar for a few hundred $$$ OR a premium system such as an Equal-i-zer, Blue Ox Sway Pro, etc, that features sway control as a function of it's design and does not require the use of a separate sway bar. Remember also that the installation of a separate friction sway bar will require that holes be drilled in the trailer frame but with WD systems such as an EQ or Sway Pro no holes are required.

Now that you're down to pricing you really need to understand exactly what it is you're getting for your $17,900 - not just "Weight Distribution/Sway Control hitch" which in and of itself means little. So this quote includes dealer WD installation but what about a brake controller? ... what kind and is it included as well, as you're going to need one, as well as having an active charge line wired to the vehicle's 7-pin Bargman connector.

JMO but I think you're overestimating the ease with which a 7' wide trailer would tow compared to a similarly sized 8' wide but I can guarantee you'd continually appreciate the greater interior space offered by an 8 footer.
2012 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab
2014 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2003 Fleetwood Yuma * 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX
2007 TrailCruiser C21RBH * 2000 Fleetwood Santa Fe
1998 Jayco 10UD * 1969 Coleman CT380

cwmoser
Explorer II
Explorer II
Had not thought about Costco. Thanks.
That $17.9K price did not include the built in Grill, nor did it include a Ladder on the rear. I'm thinking I would like to have those options. Also a Bike Rack.

Dealer wanted $800 for a Weight Distribution/Sway Control hitch - that price
includes installation.

BTW, yesterday afternoon I visited both dealers. First the one with the
Winnebago 2106DS and then the one with the Colemen 192RBS. My head hit
the Ceiling in the shower in the Winnebago, but not in the Coachmen.
I think I like the Coachmen better. The main pro for the Winnebago was
its width - 7' vs Coachmen's 8'. What I liked about the Coachmen was the
interior height, length of the queen bed, cabinets, and that it has Azdel
walls. I think my preference is the Coachmen. Still have a little nagging
worry if its too much trailer for my SUV but the analysis we did in this
forum and the sales guy saying it should tow well with proper hitch makes
me feel better.

leoandlilian101
Explorer
Explorer
Our new 2017 192RBS cost 15,300 (w/ALL available option packages included.) The secret is buying through Costco's RV Warehouse Club. Had to drive to Dayton, OH to take delivery, but the savings of 2k was worth it to me. Mid-17,000's are about the best price you'll find at the local dealership.

SoundGuy
Explorer
Explorer
cwmoser wrote:
Is $17.9K a fair price for a new Coachmen 192RBS?


I'm in Canada so take this for what it's worth but a quick Google search suggests retail list in the US for a 192RBS is ~ +/- $25,000 US$ so based on that an actual selling price of $17,900 US$ sounds reasonable to me. At the current exchange rate that's ~ $24,000 Cdn and in the ballpark of what one could expect to pay here for a 192RBS, final price of course depending on any options the unit may or may not have, one's negotiating skills, and the dealer's desire to close a deal. Good luck with your search. ๐Ÿ™‚
2012 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab
2014 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2003 Fleetwood Yuma * 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX
2007 TrailCruiser C21RBH * 2000 Fleetwood Santa Fe
1998 Jayco 10UD * 1969 Coleman CT380

Last_Train
Explorer
Explorer
Welcome back . . . hope you had a Merry Christmas.

There is no question that the Winnebago line is going to provide a quality experience for you. But it all gets down to what you want/can afford and what you can safely tow (back to that again). I am not familiar with the specs on the Micro Minnie except that you did mention the 7' width. And in this size trailer, that 1' difference in living area width can be significant. But only you can determine if that is meaningful to you.

If you haven't already, I recommend that you spend lots of time on RV lots and crawling in and out of your potential candidates and literally role play how you would live in this one or that one. For instance, walk through how you would prepare a meal in the galley. Work out who would be doing what - and when. It can be a bit of a "ballet" when two people are cooking on the range and retrieving food items from the refrigerator/freezer and the pantry. Will you have to contort into a pretzel just to be able to bend down to light the pilot light for your oven? Think about how you will clean up after each meal, and again - who will be doing what and when.

Do you have a pet? A dog, maybe? Will your "best friend" have an adequate place to lie down out of the way while your "ballet" is going on? They need their space, too, or you might end up with a neurotic critter that does not enjoy the RV experience.

How is the storage arranged? Can you imagine where you will place items that are accessible for when you need them without crawling over something or someone else?

Can you or your wife hit the sack early and let the other stay up and quietly watch TV without disturbing the one in bed? Or can one sleep in while the other gets up, fixes coffee, etc. (We installed some draperies from ceiling to floor that divide the sleeping area from the galley.) That little action has turned out to be important to us.

You are going to want to modify your trailer at some point - no matter what you get. This forum is one of many great sources for ideas and instruction. But think carefully about how "modifiable" the trailer is. Where and how can you install additional electrical equipment/electronics; i.e. electrical management system, inverter, a second battery on the tongue, solar panels, etc. Can you hang items on your walls to make your rig more like "home?" How about the ceiling? You get the idea.

Can you be comfortable taking a shower in the space provided? Where will you hang towels, washcloths, etc.?

Ultimately, maybe you can rent each of your favorite trailers and try them out. There is hardly a substitute for that kind of experience.

So the final decision will be an equation that balances the variables of tow-ability, affordability, practical living space and what your expectations are for living in a travel trailer for whatever periods of time you choose. For us, the 192 RBS has been an ideal solution. It may or may not be for you. But once you come to a conclusion that is well thought out, you'll have a great time.

Frankly, we can hardly wait to get out again after one of our trips. And living in this part of Texas allows us the opportunities to camp year round. So early in January we will take a quick four day excursion again to the Texas Hill Country just north of San Antonio. We'll have freezing or near freezing temps at night but high temperatures in the 50s. The Riverwalk at night is spectacular, you have the historical mission trails, and yes, the Alamo (still gives me goose bumps every time I go there). But if we do get cooped up by inclement weather, we have sufficient space for all three of us (our dog is in that count) to be very comfortable.

It's about your lifestyle expectations as much as anything. Think it through carefully and analytically, and press ahead with no regrets. Let us know . . .

Happy New Year!

2016 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2018 RAM 1500 Ecodiesel

cwmoser
Explorer II
Explorer II
Is $17.9K a fair price for a new Coachmen 192RBS?

cwmoser
Explorer II
Explorer II
Thanks everyone. Now that Christmas is over, continuing my search.
#1 is the Coachmen 192RBS, but I just looked at a video of the
Winnebago Mico Minnie 2106DS. I know after reviewing this thread
that it was mentioned but I didn't look into it. This Winnebago
does have some pros - namely that it is 7' wide making it easier to
deal with towing. Approximately the same weight as the Coachmen.
I'll have to give it a look see. Still in love with the Coachmen's
height (I'm 6'2") and the Azdel construction. Anyone know how the
price compares? Quality?

--Carl

hohenwald48
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Explorer


Just another SUV pulling a TT. On our way to our favorite boondocking location, WDW Fort Wilderness. ๐Ÿ™‚
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

2019 Newmar Canyon Star 3627
2017 Jeep Wrangler JKU

Last_Train
Explorer
Explorer
cwmoser wrote:
Oh no, have not left the building.
Have enjoyed conversing with you guys and have learned a lot.
I'm sure I'll have a lot more questions once I purchase a Travel Trailer
and do hope you all don't mind if I bother you some more.

I have browsed through that huge thread on this forum where folks
post pictures of their trailers and tow vehicles and for those
with SUV's I did some googling on their weight and tow specs.
Some folks there look like they are towing trailers three times
the length of their tow vehicle.

Maybe sometime in the near future I'll get the chance to meet some
of you at some camp sites. If you see a black Lexus SUV with an
old gray hair fool and a blonde wifey, it just might be me -- give
me a howdy, or maybe a finger - in jest I hope ๐Ÿ™‚


Well CW, any news on your camper selection yet? Lots of fun to be had. Example from earlier this morning (we're enjoying a few days at a state park in central Texas) . . . I was walking our dog and struck up a conversation with a guy from Florida two sites away from us. Turns out he knows a cousin of mine who lives in his home town! Who knew? Point being that there are some wonderful experiences waiting for you once you get going. Hope you can report back with news of your selection and your first trip.

Here we are this week:
2016 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2018 RAM 1500 Ecodiesel

PAThwacker
Explorer
Explorer
I make coffee deep in the woods backpacking,drink beaver fever water straight of a stream with a sawyer micro filter, and tow 2 campers with a proper SUV not some glamour packaged ute. Boondocking, resort, state parks, and amusement parks. With kids, solo, or as a couple.
Generator 2000w Yamaha
Poop cannon
25gallon portable tanks
7 gallon aquatainers
On and on
2015 Keystone Springdale Summerland 257rl
Tow vehicle: 2003 GMC K1500 ext lb
Previous: 14 years of 3 popups and a hybrid tt

Last_Train
Explorer
Explorer
cwmoser wrote:
Good information about your Coachmen 192RBS and Honda Ridgeline truck.

Also like what you posted that you purchased a Wal-Mart reflective tarp that
you protect your RV with. That too is a concern of mine as I would like to
protect my investment. I did look at a used 2014 Apex RV and the first
thing I noticed was that the outside had faded quite noticeably.

I've also read in other forums that custom RV covers are un-wieldly to put
on and take off, and tear easily snagging on antenna, AC cover, etc. I think
your suggestion to just throw over a tarp and secure it with bungy cords
is a better idea.


I realized that I never had offered a picture of our rather simple approach to covering our 192 RBS. We do have the advantage of keeping our trailer on our property just beyond our driveway, and it is surrounded by thick woods. And, because we use our camper year round the idea of storing it for an extended period of time just isn't on our radar screen. So this Wal-Mart tarp has worked fine for us.

It's not elegant or sophisticated, but the tarp does protect the roof from sun, rain, debris from above, etc. I get up on the roof and carefully unfold and extend the thing so that the front cap is covered down to the diamond plate. The tarp extends just a couple of inches over the rear edge of the roof. You can see that bungee cords are used to secure it - though not too tightly. It "breathes" some since the tarp is supported by the roof vents, A/C unit, etc. - plus a few scattered Lynx Leveler blocks I co-opted to place around the edges of the roof. Takes me about 15-20 minutes to put it up or take it down - with the assistance of my wife on the ground (she lines of the front edge so that the tarp gets down to the diamond plate). We had a line of thunderstorms come through early this morning and I didn't have any concerns about how things were for the trailer.

It's just one couple's approach to caring for our 192 RBS - I do not presume this to be the best answer for someone else. Seems to work great for us. Happy Thanksgiving, and let us know when you get your travel trailer - whatever it ends up being.

2016 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2018 RAM 1500 Ecodiesel

Last_Train
Explorer
Explorer
huachuca wrote:
Nothing at all wrong with 'resort' camping; the important thing is to get out and do whatever you enjoy. . .

This retirement thing is great and there is so very much to see and do in this great Country of ours. Get out there and have some fun!

Al


Agree. Try different types of parks. It's about the fun you have in adapting a little bit while still enjoying the features of your travel trailer. Not a bad idea to take Al up on his invitation to have a joint camping experienc, either.

And yes, coffee is a must! Funny thing, before we recently "broke down" and bought a Mr. Coffee, I was brewing coffee on the range with my good old, faithful aluminum coffee pot with the basket and stem, etc. Was a mess to clean up, but it sure made a great brew!
2016 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2018 RAM 1500 Ecodiesel

arkieguide
Explorer
Explorer
No one can tell you what is your best solution. My wife and I had 22 foot 5th wheel, queen bed up. that we used in leading RV caravans many places, it was just right for us and our monster yorkie pet.Now the best bet for a couple are single person is a 24 foot light weight. it gives you room for a decent bathroom, and A queen size bed.easy to pull and park, a 1/2 ton TV is plenty. I have never towed with a n suv so I can not comment on that need.

SoundGuy
Explorer
Explorer
goducks10 wrote:
You don't need electricity to make coffee out camping.


SoundGuy wrote:
Of course, but that has nothing to do with the real issue at hand - i.e. the fact that many wives just aren't interested in camping in an RV without shore power ...


IdaD wrote:
That's all your fault.


Perhaps ... but Happy Wife = Happy Life. :B

Priceless ... she gets her electric campsite. :W
2012 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab
2014 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2003 Fleetwood Yuma * 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX
2007 TrailCruiser C21RBH * 2000 Fleetwood Santa Fe
1998 Jayco 10UD * 1969 Coleman CT380