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batchman
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Aug 16, 2016

talk to me about built-in LP gennies...

Greetings, RV.net - been lurking a while and figured "high time" to try and ask a question I've not seen discussed, although I may be "search fu limited"...

I'm looking at TC's to support my racing trips to distant events, 0.8k to 1.2k miles away. Will undoubtedly stay in a hotel at the event site (good showers are important!) but for nights along the way and for "office space" at the big events a TC really looks like the way to go. To my eye at least, the "boss" is not impressed with this idea...

My question though, as I review candidate TC's, is about LP generators and refrigeration and air conditioning. I don't really want to go to a gas 2.5kw etc as I don't want to have another thing to set up or carry another fuel, and I don't want to try and run a Honda or Yamaha on race gas LOL. I guess I wonder how important is it, really, to have a TC that is generator-ready; and given that, can I reasonably expect to run the fridge and a built-in genny (for A/C or heat) for a day on a tank of LP?

Thanks and regards,
- Jeff
(can't figure out how to do a signature yet!)
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  • batchman's avatar
    batchman
    Explorer
    Aug 30, 2016
    lightning driver wrote:

    But did you get a Diesel Dually? That race car stuff can be stupid expensive. Ask me how I know?


    Ha! Why yes, yes I did! But thinking I best keep the cost of the rig below that of the race car, and since the race car of the moment is a C4 Corvette, that is one heckuva challenge. So I bought a CC/LB DRW with a 6.9 and a Banks Turbo. Of course I have to put in an overdrive trans to get past 45mph, but hey what the heck!

    Glad I'm not the only one (nice rig, by the way...),
    - Jeff
  • lightning_drive's avatar
    lightning_drive
    Explorer
    Aug 28, 2016
    batchman wrote:
    mkirsch wrote:
    I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.


    Ah HA! It was the PA Turnpike tunnels that made me think of this. Of course it's about placarded vehicles, and we now have proof that I just think too much.

    Thank you very, very much!
    - Jeff

    (on edit) Since we have established that I think too much, I bought a dualie. Didn't want to sweat a rear tire failure with a 7k trailer full of race car. Of course in Massachusetts that's an automatic commercial plate. Hmmmm.


    But did you get a Diesel Dually? That race car stuff can be stupid expensive. Ask me how I know? :R
  • batchman's avatar
    batchman
    Explorer
    Aug 27, 2016
    mkirsch wrote:
    I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.


    Ah HA! It was the PA Turnpike tunnels that made me think of this. Of course it's about placarded vehicles, and we now have proof that I just think too much.

    Thank you very, very much!
    - Jeff

    (on edit) Since we have established that I think too much, I bought a dualie. Didn't want to sweat a rear tire failure with a 7k trailer full of race car. Of course in Massachusetts that's an automatic commercial plate. Hmmmm.
  • Kayteg1's avatar
    Kayteg1
    Explorer II
    Aug 27, 2016
    lonegunman wrote:
    Kayteg1 wrote:
    For those running propane generator for heat- research the subject as propane tanks need heat for changing from liquid to vapor stage and at certain temperature it ain't going to happen.


    It seems to happen just fine to zero degrees. I'll be careful if I camp on the Hudson Bay in winter.

    Did you run generator at this temperature.
    Propane vaporize at -44F, but as I stated you need lot of heat to do it, so when small water heater will work fine below 0, high flow will drop the cylinder temperature down to -44F and no kudos.
  • mkirsch's avatar
    mkirsch
    Nomad II
    Aug 26, 2016
    batchman wrote:
    So, what happens on transit stages (LOL) - do you have to avoid tunnels and bridges?

    It occurred to me I could just travel empty but then I'd have to prime when I get to my destination - is that trouble?


    Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives it a second thought. They fill up before they leave, and go where they want using the most convenient route to get there.

    I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.
  • lonegunman's avatar
    lonegunman
    Explorer
    Aug 26, 2016
    Kayteg1 wrote:
    For those running propane generator for heat- research the subject as propane tanks need heat for changing from liquid to vapor stage and at certain temperature it ain't going to happen.


    It seems to happen just fine to zero degrees. I'll be careful if I camp on the Hudson Bay in winter.
  • Kayteg1's avatar
    Kayteg1
    Explorer II
    Aug 25, 2016
    I live 2 miles from tunnel, but only commercial fuel trucks are restricted (one of those crashed there about 40 years ago burning a number of people).
    On BC ferries, where I go occasionally you have to shut off tank valves, what I do when driving anyway.
    From what I know there is no restrictions anywhere in carrying small tanks as long as they are shut off.
    We need propane for other things regardless, so you can't go without it, but too bad the propane generators offer such bad efficiency.
    I still yet have to try how many hr my inverter generator will run on 30lb of propane powering AC.
  • batchman's avatar
    batchman
    Explorer
    Aug 25, 2016
    So, what happens on transit stages (LOL) - do you have to avoid tunnels and bridges?

    It occurred to me I could just travel empty but then I'd have to prime when I get to my destination - is that trouble?

    Thanks,
    - Jeff
    (can you tell I'm a noob?)
  • Kayteg1's avatar
    Kayteg1
    Explorer II
    Aug 24, 2016
    I like your setup.
    On my Fletwood the compartment is not only high above the ground, what is not a problem as I can (still) lift the cylinders, but there is minimal clearance for the cylinders in it and sliding them in horizontally require care to make the back feet fit into holding bracket.
    Not only the switch over is on front of them, what require removal at each tie, but originally the floor at the door had sticking up bolt, that suppose to secure the tanks, but was scratching the paint on cylinders.
    As I said I put longer hose for emergency and got rid of sticking bolts, but still pulling the cylinders for refill is not the job I am looking forward to do.
  • Bedlam's avatar
    Bedlam
    Moderator
    Aug 24, 2016
    The big door you see on the left rear side of the camper holds the two 30# cylinders side by side.I'm over 6' tall and can easily heft them in and attach them even when the TC is on the truck, so swapping out the cylinders is easy for me. Four spare cylinders are strapped against the side wall inside my enclosed trailer.



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I'm looking at TC's to support my racing trips to distant events, 0.8k to 1.2k miles away. Will undoubtedly stay in a hotel at the event site (good showers are important!) but for nights along the way and for \"office space\" at the big events a TC really looks like the way to go. To my eye at least, the \"boss\" is not impressed with this idea...

My question though, as I review candidate TC's, is about LP generators and refrigeration and air conditioning. I don't really want to go to a gas 2.5kw etc as I don't want to have another thing to set up or carry another fuel, and I don't want to try and run a Honda or Yamaha on race gas LOL. I guess I wonder how important is it, really, to have a TC that is generator-ready; and given that, can I reasonably expect to run the fridge and a built-in genny (for A/C or heat) for a day on a tank of LP?

Thanks and regards,
- Jeff
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I'm looking at TC's to support my racing trips to distant events, 0.8k to 1.2k miles away. Will undoubtedly stay in a hotel at the event site (good showers are important!) but for nights along the way and for \"office space\" at the big events a TC really looks like the way to go. To my eye at least, the \"boss\" is not impressed with this idea...

My question though, as I review candidate TC's, is about LP generators and refrigeration and air conditioning. I don't really want to go to a gas 2.5kw etc as I don't want to have another thing to set up or carry another fuel, and I don't want to try and run a Honda or Yamaha on race gas LOL. I guess I wonder how important is it, really, to have a TC that is generator-ready; and given that, can I reasonably expect to run the fridge and a built-in genny (for A/C or heat) for a day on a tank of LP?

Thanks and regards,
- Jeff
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lightning driver wrote:

But did you get a Diesel Dually? That race car stuff can be stupid expensive. Ask me how I know?


Ha! Why yes, yes I did! But thinking I best keep the cost of the rig below that of the race car, and since the race car of the moment is a C4 Corvette, that is one heckuva challenge. So I bought a CC/LB DRW with a 6.9 and a Banks Turbo. Of course I have to put in an overdrive trans to get past 45mph, but hey what the heck!

Glad I'm not the only one (nice rig, by the way...),
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batchman wrote:
mkirsch wrote:
I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.


Ah HA! It was the PA Turnpike tunnels that made me think of this. Of course it's about placarded vehicles, and we now have proof that I just think too much.

Thank you very, very much!
- Jeff

(on edit) Since we have established that I think too much, I bought a dualie. Didn't want to sweat a rear tire failure with a 7k trailer full of race car. Of course in Massachusetts that's an automatic commercial plate. Hmmmm.


But did you get a Diesel Dually? That race car stuff can be stupid expensive. Ask me how I know? :R
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mkirsch wrote:
I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.


Ah HA! It was the PA Turnpike tunnels that made me think of this. Of course it's about placarded vehicles, and we now have proof that I just think too much.

Thank you very, very much!
- Jeff

(on edit) Since we have established that I think too much, I bought a dualie. Didn't want to sweat a rear tire failure with a 7k trailer full of race car. Of course in Massachusetts that's an automatic commercial plate. Hmmmm.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-26T21:34:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-26T21:34:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":467},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398589","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:183893":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:183893","uid":183893,"login":"Kayteg1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-06-18T09:08:49.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:183893"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398588":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398588","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398588":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:183893"},"id":"message:2398588","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398588,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398588"},"body":"
lonegunman wrote:
Kayteg1 wrote:
For those running propane generator for heat- research the subject as propane tanks need heat for changing from liquid to vapor stage and at certain temperature it ain't going to happen.


It seems to happen just fine to zero degrees. I'll be careful if I camp on the Hudson Bay in winter.

Did you run generator at this temperature.
Propane vaporize at -44F, but as I stated you need lot of heat to do it, so when small water heater will work fine below 0, high flow will drop the cylinder temperature down to -44F and no kudos.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-26T18:48:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-26T18:48:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":466},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398588","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:38":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:38","position":27,"name":"Nomad II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:278055":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:278055","uid":278055,"login":"mkirsch","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-04-09T13:58:26.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:278055"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398587":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398587","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398587":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:278055"},"id":"message:2398587","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398587,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398587"},"body":"
batchman wrote:
So, what happens on transit stages (LOL) - do you have to avoid tunnels and bridges?

It occurred to me I could just travel empty but then I'd have to prime when I get to my destination - is that trouble?


Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives it a second thought. They fill up before they leave, and go where they want using the most convenient route to get there.

I just looked at the regulations for the PA Turnpike tunnels, and it only applies to placarded vehicles (i.e. commercial trucks carrying more than Xlbs of propane). If you are hauling the legally-allowed amount of propane for a passenger vehicle (four 20lb cylinders is the limit in NY state), I don't think you count.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-26T10:46:40.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-26T10:46:40.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":467},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398587","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:37676":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:37676","uid":37676,"login":"lonegunman","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-08-26T21:02:55.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:37676"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398586":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398586","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398586":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:37676"},"id":"message:2398586","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398586,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398586"},"body":"
Kayteg1 wrote:
For those running propane generator for heat- research the subject as propane tanks need heat for changing from liquid to vapor stage and at certain temperature it ain't going to happen.


It seems to happen just fine to zero degrees. I'll be careful if I camp on the Hudson Bay in winter.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-26T09:32:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-26T09:32:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":466},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398586","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398585":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398585","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398585":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:183893"},"id":"message:2398585","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398585,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398585"},"body":"I live 2 miles from tunnel, but only commercial fuel trucks are restricted (one of those crashed there about 40 years ago burning a number of people).
On BC ferries, where I go occasionally you have to shut off tank valves, what I do when driving anyway.
From what I know there is no restrictions anywhere in carrying small tanks as long as they are shut off.
We need propane for other things regardless, so you can't go without it, but too bad the propane generators offer such bad efficiency.
I still yet have to try how many hr my inverter generator will run on 30lb of propane powering AC.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-24T21:33:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-24T21:33:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":466},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398585","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398584":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398584","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398584":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:101194"},"id":"message:2398584","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398584,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398584"},"body":"So, what happens on transit stages (LOL) - do you have to avoid tunnels and bridges?

It occurred to me I could just travel empty but then I'd have to prime when I get to my destination - is that trouble?

Thanks,
- Jeff
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On my Fletwood the compartment is not only high above the ground, what is not a problem as I can (still) lift the cylinders, but there is minimal clearance for the cylinders in it and sliding them in horizontally require care to make the back feet fit into holding bracket.
Not only the switch over is on front of them, what require removal at each tie, but originally the floor at the door had sticking up bolt, that suppose to secure the tanks, but was scratching the paint on cylinders.
As I said I put longer hose for emergency and got rid of sticking bolts, but still pulling the cylinders for refill is not the job I am looking forward to do.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-24T12:58:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-24T12:58:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":466},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2398519/message:2398583","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:49":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:49","position":1,"name":"Moderator","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1659":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1659","uid":1659,"login":"Bedlam","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-13T11:02:40.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/images/dS0xNjU5LTM3aTkxM0RCQzAxNDMxNTcxRjQ"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:49"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1659"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398582":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2398582","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2398582":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1659"},"id":"message:2398582","revisionNum":1,"uid":2398582,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2398519"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2398519"},"subject":"Re: talk to me about built-in LP gennies...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2398582"},"body":"The big door you see on the left rear side of the camper holds the two 30# cylinders side by side.I'm over 6' tall and can easily heft them in and attach them even when the TC is on the truck, so swapping out the cylinders is easy for me. Four spare cylinders are strapped against the side wall inside my enclosed trailer.



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