Terrible factory splices in brake wiring

JRscooby wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

PIECE WORK......DOES NOT PROMOTE QUALITY WORK
NEVER has....NEVER will

#1 Not sure that is the problem. Hourly pay, you can still get the "I don't give a snot" guy plus you get a large percentage that instead of looking at what might be a better way "So what? The're paying me head down." And if CQ catches a defect, the company pays for the hours to fix it.


#2 IMHO, the problem is lack of inspection as it is built. The workers are paid for each job finished. If it was inspected, and found wrong, the worker does not get paid to do that job, or has to come back and fix it for free. Because each worker is wanting to make as much as he can he is always looking for a better way. And for the same reason he will be sure the product meets standards.


#3 I thing the problem is people keep buying the trash, there is no reason to hire the inspectors. WE lay the money down, try to use it, take it back to the dealer. Then for the next period of time, days weeks or months the dealer has our trailer and part of the money, the manufacturer has rest of the money, you got squat.


#4 Look at numbers; at any given time a busy dealer might have what 3 potential buyers on the lot? And at the same time, at least a dozen RVs waiting for warranty work? What would happen if say a third of the people that payed for squat stopped by[/] the dealer to check on the RV they don't have, then stepped into the sales area to report their "Joy of ownership?" At the very least it would get the sales force whipping service dept. And it would not take long before the dealers to realize "I can't really sell if I have all this warranty work," and he would refuse to accept the bad RVs.

First of all, in the RV industry, the workers are not paid "by the piece" so you cannot call it "piece work".

Piece work is when you get paid "PER PIECE". Back 35 yrs ago when I first started repairing electronic devices I worked for several different Mom and Pop repair shops.

I got paid "per piece". I got half of the labor charged per piece and nothing else. For example, a TV was estimated to the customer to take $20 in parts and $50 in labor, I got $25 out of that labor. It could take me 5 minutes or 5 days to complete the repairs and I got $25.

No hourly rate, no salary, if I didn't repair it I got nothing, if I did not show for work, I got nothing, if I showed up for work and there wasn't anything to repair I got nothing.

RV production floor workers are most likely paid an hourly wage.

Point number 1, you can get the "I don't care" attitude even with salaried or hourly, doesn't matter.

Sometimes the problem is the worker doing the work (not trained or not caring), sometimes the problem is bad management or high pressure from bad management to push stuff out the door before it is ready. Sometimes it is completely bad Engineering and Management turns a blind eye to it.

QC is often not the problem but depending on how QC is setup can make bad things worse.

Most RV manufacturers use moving production lines with specific work cells which do specific assembly at certain times in the assembly process.

Workers are often hurried to complete their part of the assy process before the entire unit is pushed past their work cell. Often with zero "QC" involvement in this final process of integration.

Workers may be fully trained in one work cell or all, partially trained or even no training other than watching someone show them once. I seriously doubt that there is any dedicated electricians, carpenters or any other specialized trades on the production line, it would cost several arms and legs to do so.

Mistakes can and will be made along the way and typically most manufacturers only do a % type QC, rather than 100% at the bitter end of the production line.

Point number 2, I guess you have never worked in any assembly plant or have setup a production floor. Depending on complexity of your device, having EACH assembled part in each section "inspected" by QC at each step of the way may or may not make sense..

A medical device which could kill a person if it malfunctioned, absolutely should have that kind of inspection.

A airplane that could fall out of the sky, absolutely should have that kind of inspection by QC.

A RV, nope, not worth the extra cost in man power, the worst you have there is a slight delay in your plans.

Not to mention absolutely no one would be willing to pay double of what a current RV costs..

Point number 3, go back to my comments on point number 2.

Point number 4, dealers wouldn't exist since RV manufacturers wouldn't exist since the prices of the RVs would be far more than what folks could afford to buy and due to zero sales putting a lot of workers out of a job from the workers making the materials that the RV manufacturers buy, the production workers building the RVs right through the RV dealers..

The use of the mass production line speeds up the building process, lowering the cost to make which lowers the final cost to the end user.

Mass production is not perfect, but often the mistakes made are much lower than say a "one off" that is hand built by just one skilled laborer..

Take your pick, have RVs of may many styles and floor plans built in a quick time and much lower cost (mass production) or one plan which takes months or even yrs to build at a cost well above your income level (hand built one off)..

The cheap wiring like the OP has is often a manufacturers cost cutting decision to find ways to use leftover scraps.