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- I liked it but wish they would be more realistic in general when testing half tons. A 5000 lb trailer is just too light, while pushing it to 10k or more is too much. As an RVer, I'd like to see them tow a 30' trailer that weighs around 8000 lbs. Carefully loaded, I think that would work with the Raptor and TRX too.
Gawd, I would love to tow with one of those! - Regardless of weight, performance testing on these "super trucks" may be a moot point, as all can pull even 10k lbs at speed limit the entire way.
We're talking 700 hp here for 11k - 16k GVW. That's double to triple the hp-weight ratio of regular trucks at max GVW. - Enjoyed this one... Although I would never own either truck.
FishOnOne wrote:
Enjoyed this one... Although I would never own either truck.
Neither would I.- Oomph, the mpg.
RoyJ wrote:
Regardless of weight, performance testing on these "super trucks" may be a moot point, as all can pull even 10k lbs at speed limit the entire way.
We're talking 700 hp here for 11k - 16k GVW. That's double to triple the hp-weight ratio of regular trucks at max GVW.
The real question is how long those engines will last doing that regularly.
These HP ratings are about taking an empty truck 0-60 very quickly. That will only push the engine for a few seconds. The engine won't really have any time to build up any heat from the extra burn.
Even cruising 100mph on the freeway, it won't be putting out anything close to 700hp. Even here, as long as the cooling system is in good shape, you aren't really stressing the engine.
Off road? Mud bogging or climbing a sand dune, again, you may floor it for a few seconds but not for a 1/2 hour continuous.
Pulling 10k up a mountain with your foot all the way to the floor...it may not be the full 700hp but it's putting out a lot of HP and doing so for an extended period of time. Now you are really stress testing the engine. Do that regularly and I would wonder about durability with a high strung engine.- To me the only point in this test is that some of the new toy trucks can actually do some useful things, unlike the old Cyclone and 454SS. They probably are even a tolerable truck for driving to work or getting groceries. That should help justify the purchase to the wife.
valhalla360 wrote:
RoyJ wrote:
Regardless of weight, performance testing on these "super trucks" may be a moot point, as all can pull even 10k lbs at speed limit the entire way.
We're talking 700 hp here for 11k - 16k GVW. That's double to triple the hp-weight ratio of regular trucks at max GVW.
The real question is how long those engines will last doing that regularly.
These HP ratings are about taking an empty truck 0-60 very quickly. That will only push the engine for a few seconds. The engine won't really have any time to build up any heat from the extra burn.
Even cruising 100mph on the freeway, it won't be putting out anything close to 700hp. Even here, as long as the cooling system is in good shape, you aren't really stressing the engine.
Off road? Mud bogging or climbing a sand dune, again, you may floor it for a few seconds but not for a 1/2 hour continuous.
Pulling 10k up a mountain with your foot all the way to the floor...it may not be the full 700hp but it's putting out a lot of HP and doing so for an extended period of time. Now you are really stress testing the engine. Do that regularly and I would wonder about durability with a high strung engine.
I suppose if you just do laps pulling it up the mountain "foot to the floor" (whatever that means, I'm pretty sure you couldn't keep your foot tot the floor in a trx with any trailer it's rated for on most any grade without going way faster than you can handle or is even close to legal, lol)all day every day, it will probably affect service life greatly.
And virtually noone will buy these 2 models if their purpose is mostly work. They're hot rods and off road toys that can tow as a side benefit.- I cant watch these inane videos...Did they have the HP or TQ display screen up on the TRX and how fast would it go. How much power was it "using" just cruising?
Grit dog wrote:
I suppose if you just do laps pulling it up the mountain "foot to the floor" (whatever that means, I'm pretty sure you couldn't keep your foot tot the floor in a trx with any trailer it's rated for on most any grade without going way faster than you can handle or is even close to legal, lol)all day every day, it will probably affect service life greatly.
And virtually noone will buy these 2 models if their purpose is mostly work. They're hot rods and off road toys that can tow as a side benefit.
That's my point. Pretty much no one is using these for towing...at least not anything significant (sure maybe a utility trailer with a couple dirt bikes).
But climbing big grades regularly isn't that unusual. I'm sure lots of guys living in Denver will pull a trailer west into the mountains most weekends in the summer. If they were floor it to keep the speed up to 70mph thru Vail Pass, that's going to be very hard use for a full hour of continuous output. Heck running that at 45mph with a 10k trailer is pretty hard use...70mph is probably more than double the power demand.
The test is really just silliness.
