Towing a small pop up with a CRV

[NanciL]

Is any one here towing a small pop-up with a CRV?
If yes, how does it do over hills etc ?

Jack L

[Mike_Up]

RobertRyan wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

More have mentioned they like the European style in the US. US interiors are negative all round. Darker wood is not considered upscale,,here or in Europe. US Trailers have reputation for poor build quality,poor use of space, (Jay Flight certainly ticks those boxes.,)that only adds to the very negative appeal

know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars,

Even relatively cheaper prices, still makes ithe Jayflight unsaleable in Europe

Instead of arguing that the other is incorrect, why don't we just agree to disagree as I (or most sane people :)) will never see your way of thinking. 🙂

On a side note though, more expensive darker cherry wood is always more desirable than cheap pine unless you want a soft wood for whittling. 😉

[RobertRyan]

Mike Up wrote:
While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

More have mentioned they like the European style in the US. US interiors are negative all round. Darker wood is not considered upscale,,here or in Europe. US Trailers have reputation for poor build quality,poor use of space, (Jay Flight certainly ticks those boxes.,)that only adds to the very negative appeal

know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars,

Even relatively cheaper prices, still makes ithe Jayflight unsaleable in Europe

[Mike_Up]

RobertRyan wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure

The Jayflight, would be totally unsaleable here and In Europe., looks incredibly basic , dated and cluttered.Although the European, interior would not as sell here that well , as the all wood and beige look not a seller.

Like I said, that Baily looks like a pre-schoolers dream but not for most American adults. The flat, none decorative wood, no routered edged designs, and cheap pine look wood, isn't what many like here.

The sofa on top of sofa is cluttered with little leg room, and stuffed stove in the corner is more clutter on top of clutter. There's better designs for smaller floorplans for "Americans".

Obviously the Simple, basic European look is catered to those overseas while the upscale darker wood variety is catered to those here in America.

While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

I know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars, from the single axle to the Swiss cheese looking frame, just not my bag baby. 🙂

[RobertRyan]

gheicher wrote:
People will try just about anything and most of the time its just a matter of degree of safety an/or how much strain one puts on the tow vehicle I've seen a "strong man" pull a train car with his teeth, but not very far. I'm sure in the pic below the Smart-Car added a tranny cooler and the campground was only a level mile away.

They get a tow vehicle appropriate for the need. Putting strain on any tow vehicle, is not acceptable

[RobertRyan]

Mike Up wrote:
Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure

The Jayflight, would be totally unsaleable here and In Europe., looks incredibly basic , dated and cluttered.Although the European, interior would not as sell here that well , as the all wood and beige look not a seller.

[gheicher]

People will try just about anything and most of the time its just a matter of degree of safety an/or how much strain one puts on the tow vehicle I've seen a "strong man" pull a train car with his teeth, but not very far. I'm sure in the pic below the Smart-Car added a tranny cooler and the campground was only a level mile away.

[Mike_Up]

Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure.


Yours


My 22'




My 29'

[Mike_Up]

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[RobertRyan]

Jerem0621 wrote:
Plus Europeans do more with less... Think Casita and maybe the Visa and you are getting close to a European single axle Caravan...Most North American RVers would be dis-satisfied with a European caravan.

Funny thing is that Europeans pull horse trailers and such with their cars too.

No there single axle Caravans are not like Casitas.
Europeans would be dissatisfied with the interiors of North American Travel Trailers, which are very basic indeed
This is a 19-20ft Baily Unicorn, typical of a British version of a European Caravan

[RobertRyan]

Adam H wrote:
Nope. Read the tow capacities listed for the SAME vehicle with the SAME power train sold outside the US, read the specs for yourself. The campers I saw were traveling along at about 60mph or so. I can't imagine the 10% rule changes outside North America but these weren't Casitas, the were 20 foot tandem axle TTs. I guess pictures are in order next time I'm there.

Traveling 1-2 hours or 8-9 hours makes no difference if you can't safely tow something.

Adam

Yes you will see them get up to 25ft lightweight Caravans. Problem is snaking , they try to keep in check with friction hitches.
They do not travel far generally with a Caravan, although some have done roughly 1500 miles across Europe

[jerem0621]

Adam H wrote:
Nope. Read the tow capacities listed for the SAME vehicle with the SAME power train sold outside the US, read the specs for yourself. The campers I saw were traveling along at about 60mph or so. I can't imagine the 10% rule changes outside North America but these weren't Casitas, the were 20 foot tandem axle TTs. I guess pictures are in order next time I'm there.

Traveling 1-2 hours or 8-9 hours makes no difference if you can't safely tow something.

Adam

I love pics... I lived there for years, there are 20 ft tandems just as you said.. but there are lots and lots of single axle small caravans.

The diesel versions of these cars are not available here (some exceptions), while their petrol counterparts are available on both sides of the pond in a lot of cases. There is a huge tow capacity disparity between the European versions and the NA versions. I believe that tongue weight capacity has a lot to do with it.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[Adam_H]

Nope. Read the tow capacities listed for the SAME vehicle with the SAME power train sold outside the US, read the specs for yourself. The campers I saw were traveling along at about 60mph or so. I can't imagine the 10% rule changes outside North America but these weren't Casitas, the were 20 foot tandem axle TTs. I guess pictures are in order next time I'm there.

Traveling 1-2 hours or 8-9 hours makes no difference if you can't safely tow something.

Adam

[jerem0621]

Ryanincc wrote:

Adam H wrote:

When I travel to other countries I see all sorts of compact cars/small SUV's towing TT's, PUP's. They seem to be doing just fine, even on the Autobahn. I have come to believe we over think this subject in the US. Just look at tow ratings outside the US on the same vehicles. Once again, if you don't have a 1 ton dually, you can't tow anything more than a utility trailer. How well trained we have become here, like sheep.
Adam

Seeing a small car in Europe towing a decent trailer can lead a yank to such conclusions. However, EU travel trailers are made with the axles closer to the TV, which reduces tongue weight. and towing speed limits are generally much lower than the US as well. That allows for smaller vehicle to tow but the same setup here in the US would have you white knuckling the whole way.

Yep, in Europe you are typically an hour or two away from your destination.

Many of those small vehicles are equipped with a small diesel and a manual transmission which gives it an advantage towing. Their caravan trailer design doesn't concentrate on tongue weight to keep the rig stable... There is a lot in common with our boat trailers. Typically a 5-7% ish tongue weight....

Surge style brakes, "ball stabilizers" (sway control) and sensible towing max speeds lead for smaller cars.

Plus Europeans do more with less... Think Casita and maybe the Visa and you are getting close to a European single axle Caravan...Most North American RVers would be dis-satisfied with a European caravan.

Funny thing is that Europeans pull horse trailers and such with their cars too.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[Ryanincc]

Adam H wrote:

When I travel to other countries I see all sorts of compact cars/small SUV's towing TT's, PUP's. They seem to be doing just fine, even on the Autobahn. I have come to believe we over think this subject in the US. Just look at tow ratings outside the US on the same vehicles. Once again, if you don't have a 1 ton dually, you can't tow anything more than a utility trailer. How well trained we have become here, like sheep.
Adam

Seeing a small car in Europe towing a decent trailer can lead a yank to such conclusions. However, EU travel trailers are made with the axles closer to the TV, which reduces tongue weight. and towing speed limits are generally much lower than the US as well. That allows for smaller vehicle to tow but the same setup here in the US would have you white knuckling the whole way.