Trailer sway control

Great, another band aid for the 1/2 ton crowd. They can to those 39'-45' TT's.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

BTW how many trailers have you designed and built?

I have built everything from welding trailers to 40' goosenecks. When you get into long trailers with a lot of tail swing that are twice as heavy as the tow vehicle and you get into a panic maneuver situation, you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded.

I can't speak to that. I never overload my trailers or truck.

I can just speak that the trailers I have built handle like a slot car even in panic maneuvers without any type of sway control.

Seems like the trend in trailer design is high CG and low tongue weight to get into the SUV and 1/2 ton market.

This is exactly opposite of how I build my trailers.

Hey, wait a sec. Most new factory trailers are high CG and low tongue weight and a lot of them have sway issues. My trailers are low CG and high tongue weight and I never have sway issues. Do I see a trend here? :W Why yes, I think I do! :B

I don't overload my truck either. I know how to load a trailer but there are people on here that have trailers with rear bathrooms and rear kitchens that boon dock or for what ever reason have changing loads on the trailers. I can tell a difference when I go on a weekend camping trip as apposed to a two week trip. The trailer is loaded differently and pulls differently. If your don't then you need to get out into the real word or hook to a real load.

Sorry, I took your statement of building or towing trailers "twice as heavy as the tow vehicle" overloaded. I know mine would be. My diesel is a touch over 8K so I would be around 24 to 25K gross for "me".

And if you've never towed with an overloaded truck or trailer just how do you know "you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded." :h

but there are people on here that have trailers with rear bathrooms and rear kitchens that boon dock or for what ever reason have changing loads on the trailers.

Hence my: "Buy a trailer that is properly built and loaded and you won't have to rely on bandaids that sucks tons of fuel to work" comment.

Sorry, just not a fan of bandaids. I have no need for them. If you and others do, so be it. Bandaid away. :)

Some people think that a truck that has to constantly switch gears and run up hills at 4500 rpm's is overloaded but others don't. I'm pulling 18,000 with my 2500 and the truck is not overloaded. It handles just as good as a truck that has 3500 on the door and a GVWR large enough to carry it and stops it just the same.

I'm not for a minute saying that I need the sway control I just thought it was a pretty neat product and could be a real asset to our past time. I would say that the trailers that you pull today would have overloaded trucks today if it wasn't for these such "bandaids" that people came up with a few years ago. The reason trucks have the capacity they do today it because of these bandaids being installed at the factory.

rhagfo wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Here's a thought.

Buy a trailer that is properly built and loaded and you won't have to rely on bandaids that sucks tons of fuel to work.

There you go. Using common sense again.

Keeping in mind that "common Sense" isn't so common any more!!

True. I believe it is because every thing is done for us. Few people really learn how to drive. They rely instead on "things" (4x4, traction control, ect) to drive for them. But eventually, at some point in time. You are going to have to drive. Get ready for it.

Terryallan wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Here's a thought.

Buy a trailer that is properly built and loaded and you won't have to rely on bandaids that sucks tons of fuel to work.

There you go. Using common sense again.

Keeping in mind that "common Sense" isn't so common any more!!

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Of course, towing speed limits are almost universally 55mph over there, too, sway being a phenomenon that most commonly appears around/above that speed.

In Australia there are 70mph speed limits. Same problems with sway.

I think the device has merit and maybe some of the OEMs will add it to their loong TTs that are designed to be 1/2 ton towable.

Peeps, you really don't give a rat$ a$$ about anybody else but yourself do ya? Sooo, you design and build trailers where most of the load is user-placed, like in a car trailer. And so this device is useless because you don't have a use for it.

In the TT world, users only have control over a small % of the total weight of the TT, most of the weight is added at the factory. Unfortunately you really don't know how a TT will tow until you tow it. Look at the accidents that get reported on here regularly from newbie RVers that have never towed, don't know about weight/balance, and probably have a TV that's marginal for the job. I think those folks would greatly appreciate a device like this, in fact if all TT mfrs added this as OEM it probably would put Hensley and ProPride out of business.

Hats off to you for being a superior trailer designer, trailer builder, and trailer tower. Now look at the real world.

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

BTW how many trailers have you designed and built?

I have built everything from welding trailers to 40' goosenecks. When you get into long trailers with a lot of tail swing that are twice as heavy as the tow vehicle and you get into a panic maneuver situation, you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded.

I can't speak to that. I never overload my trailers or truck.

I can just speak that the trailers I have built handle like a slot car even in panic maneuvers without any type of sway control.

Seems like the trend in trailer design is high CG and low tongue weight to get into the SUV and 1/2 ton market.

This is exactly opposite of how I build my trailers.

Hey, wait a sec. Most new factory trailers are high CG and low tongue weight and a lot of them have sway issues. My trailers are low CG and high tongue weight and I never have sway issues. Do I see a trend here? :W Why yes, I think I do! :B

I don't overload my truck either. I know how to load a trailer but there are people on here that have trailers with rear bathrooms and rear kitchens that boon dock or for what ever reason have changing loads on the trailers. I can tell a difference when I go on a weekend camping trip as apposed to a two week trip. The trailer is loaded differently and pulls differently. If your don't then you need to get out into the real word or hook to a real load.

Sorry, I took your statement of building or towing trailers "twice as heavy as the tow vehicle" overloaded. I know mine would be. My diesel is a touch over 8K so I would be around 24 to 25K gross for "me".

And if you've never towed with an overloaded truck or trailer just how do you know "you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded." :h

but there are people on here that have trailers with rear bathrooms and rear kitchens that boon dock or for what ever reason have changing loads on the trailers.

Hence my: "Buy a trailer that is properly built and loaded and you won't have to rely on bandaids that sucks tons of fuel to work" comment.

Sorry, just not a fan of bandaids. I have no need for them. If you and others do, so be it. Bandaid away. :)

For those who think design doesn't matter:

"Anti-sway" add-on hardware is virtually unheard of in Europe, where much more attention is paid to engineering trailers to be efficiently towed right off the production line.

Of course, towing speed limits are almost universally 55mph over there, too, sway being a phenomenon that most commonly appears around/above that speed.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

BTW how many trailers have you designed and built?

I have built everything from welding trailers to 40' goosenecks. When you get into long trailers with a lot of tail swing that are twice as heavy as the tow vehicle and you get into a panic maneuver situation, you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded.

I can't speak to that. I never overload my trailers or truck.

I can just speak that the trailers I have built handle like a slot car even in panic maneuvers without any type of sway control.

Seems like the trend in trailer design is high CG and low tongue weight to get into the SUV and 1/2 ton market.

This is exactly opposite of how I build my trailers.

Hey, wait a sec. Most new factory trailers are high CG and low tongue weight and a lot of them have sway issues. My trailers are low CG and high tongue weight and I never have sway issues. Do I see a trend here? :W Why yes, I think I do! :B

I don't overload my truck either. I know how to load a trailer but there are people on here that have trailers with rear bathrooms and rear kitchens that boon dock or for what ever reason have changing loads on the trailers. I can tell a difference when I go on a weekend camping trip as apposed to a two week trip. The trailer is loaded differently and pulls differently. If your don't then you need to get out into the real word or hook to a real load.

transamz9 wrote:

BTW how many trailers have you designed and built?

I have built everything from welding trailers to 40' goosenecks. When you get into long trailers with a lot of tail swing that are twice as heavy as the tow vehicle and you get into a panic maneuver situation, you will get sway no matter how well it is loaded.

I can't speak to that. I never overload my trailers or truck.

I can just speak that the trailers I have built handle like a slot car even in panic maneuvers without any type of sway control.

Seems like the trend in trailer design is high CG and low tongue weight to get into the SUV and 1/2 ton market.

This is exactly opposite of how I build my trailers.

Hey, wait a sec. Most new factory trailers are high CG and low tongue weight and a lot of them have sway issues. My trailers are low CG and high tongue weight and I never have sway issues. Do I see a trend here? :W Why yes, I think I do! :B