Truck build out for

[17oaks]

Looking at kicking it up a notch to a Host Mammoth 3x slide.

Underneath will set a F XXX dually. Looking at the many charts available from Ford I often find the F 450 at less payload then the F 350. That said I am also looking at the F 550 but due to size of the truck, not sure it's a viable option.

Truck will be 2020 model.

My AF 1150 tipping the scales at 5600 in travel trim has worked with the F 350 platform with no issues. But the Mammoth and truck will be last stop in the travel/truck/TC road of life. Sure that sometime in the future near or far this quite old man will slow and be happy to sit on a front porch...

I am listening, let me hear any and all build outs, options, etc, open discussion I am not set on anything other than the Mammoth 3x

[Kayteg1]

burningman wrote:
... I cringed when the so-called expert author traded in his older model dually for a new single rear wheel because the payload was higher according to the rating sticker, and he felt he should be setting a proper example.

But than, you can't expect average citizen to understand that truck ratings is corruption-driven.
Most of people are raise to trust the officials, so they look at door sticker and that is when it falls flat.

[burningman]

If the F350/F450 charts don’t clearly illustrate that pickup truck GVWRs are artificial numbers, I don’t know what does.
There’s an online truck camper magazine that reviews campers... I cringed when the so-called expert author traded in his older model dually for a new single rear wheel because the payload was higher according to the rating sticker, and he felt he should be setting a proper example.

[jimh406]

I know my F450 is way more than a F350 SRW with two more wheels. It’s also probably overkill for the same TC that I carried on a SRW. What can I say though other than we like it! 😄

[NRALIFR]

Ha ha 😛 It’s what we do.

Don’t ask us to brain today.

We have the dumb.

:):)

[work2much]

I guess truck campers and door stickers will forever be the genesis of dumb internet arguments.

[Kayteg1]

17oaks wrote:


As for the 450, 4:30 gears are the ONLY combo available, WTH!!! How about 4:10 or even 3:73 or the long gone 3:90 IMO prob one of the best ratios ever for all around use.

I order my 2017 dually specifically with 3.55 as that was the lowest number they would build.
Even I was considering some gear shifting on long grades, since I bought the truck I moved from California to Las Vegas and used the truck to haul 7000 lb wide body cargo trailer.
The 440 HP engine with this differential pulled all those 12-15 miles long grade on overdrive.
So my impression is that 4:30 is having in mind those double decker trailers that can haul 5 cars at the time.

[NRALIFR]

The Trucks with GVWR over 14K are cab and chassis class 4 and 5 trucks.

Just to provide a little background regarding the F450 pickups, the 2008-2010 models had a GVWR of 14500, which made it (just barely) a class 4.

This is just my opinion, but I think there was some concern on the part of the Ford medium duty truck brand that the F450 pickup was “stealing” sales from the medium duty line. Consequently, the 2011-2013 or 2014 F450 pickups were dumbed down, rebadged F350’s. Then in about 2015 Ford went back to very much the same chassis as the ‘08-‘10 trucks, but the GVWR was lowered to 14k, and there it has stayed.

Prior to my current 2016 I owned a 2010 F450 pickup, and I’m telling you there is no reason the 2015-16 F450’s couldn’t have also had a GVWR of at least 14,500.

:):)

[17oaks]

17oaks wrote:

jimh425 wrote:

17oaks wrote:

Payload

F-350 DRW 4x4 14,000 6,550 Crew Cab

F-450 DRW 4x414,000 5,310 Crew Cab

Not from the link I sent for Chassis. The last few columns are the Crew Cab models.

The chart I saw GVW was maxed out at 14,000, your shows larger numbers, can you provide me with the link, thank you...

Thank you, I am waiting on my Fleet business certification now, this could be a way to go...

[jimh406]

Same link as before. Click on the payload selector and scroll down. In any case, my point is the F450 payload in pickup form is artificial. The F450 weighs more. That restriction doesn’t exist on the chassis charts. Simply put, the F450 components are stronger. On paper, some might think the F350 is as capable. It’s not.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/fleet-specifications-vdm/?sg=commercial-trucks&category=chassis%20specifi...

[17oaks]

jimh425 wrote:

17oaks wrote:

Payload

F-350 DRW 4x4 14,000 6,550 Crew Cab

F-450 DRW 4x414,000 5,310 Crew Cab

Not from the link I sent for Chassis. The last few columns are the Crew Cab models.

The chart I saw GVW was maxed out at 14,000, your shows larger numbers, can you provide me with the link, thank you...

[jimh406]

17oaks wrote:

Payload

F-350 DRW 4x4 14,000 6,550 Crew Cab

F-450 DRW 4x414,000 5,310 Crew Cab

Not from the link I sent for Chassis. The last few columns are the Crew Cab models.

[17oaks]

NRALIFR wrote:
The decision to cap the Superduty pickups GVWR at 14K was made for marketing reasons, not because the components couldn’t handle more. IMHO, the F450 pickup has more real payload capacity available than the F350’s. In other words, it’s not as close to the boundaries of its “envelope”.

I also wish there was at least the option of a 4:10 axle ratio, but it’s not going to be screaming at highway speeds either. While I like to keep it around 65 on the interstates, there are times we need to scoot and it has no trouble maintaining the highest speed limits you’ll encounter in the US.

You might even come to enjoy being able to pass just about anything on a steep uphill grade. :B

:):)

IIRC my '15 had 4:10's and that truck would take you to 100 mph in the blink of an eye.

Sitting at a light with a Mustang to my left. I had to get into the left turn lane and there were a lot of cars behind the 'stang and me. The light goes green I nail it to get in the turn lane and I do. 'stang does to and pulls in behind me. I pull into the mall, and park the kids in the stang pulls in and says: WTH do you have under the hood of your truck. He could not beleive I had just beat him to the turn lane and the next light. Anyhow he left and was talking about trading in his stang on a truck. Young kid, stang sounded tuff, V8 I know that, but I don't know one stang from another after that.

[NRALIFR]

The decision to cap the Superduty pickups GVWR at 14K was made for marketing reasons, not because the components couldn’t handle more. IMHO, the F450 pickup has more real payload capacity available than the F350’s. In other words, it’s not as close to the boundaries of its “envelope”.

I also wish there was at least the option of a 4:10 axle ratio, but it’s not going to be screaming at highway speeds either. While I like to keep it around 65 on the interstates, there are times we need to scoot and it has no trouble maintaining the highest speed limits you’ll encounter in the US.

You might even come to enjoy being able to pass just about anything on a steep uphill grade. :B

:):)

[17oaks]

Kayteg1 wrote:
Oh yeah, derated engines in heavier trucks.
When I rented F550 with 6l engine, I almost created accident since I got used to good torque with my 7.3l Powerstroke.
Derated 6l with auto transmission barely moved my trailer via intersection.
When I park overnight in the mountains, the truck would not pull up the driveway. I had to back up on flatter spot and gain some momentum to get out of hotel.

Yea I think the 550 is cool, but derated engine, I don't think so.

As for the 450, 4:30 gears are the ONLY combo available, WTH!!! How about 4:10 or even 3:73 or the long gone 3:90 IMO prob one of the best ratios ever for all around use.