TT with easy bike access

[CptSydor]

My first post here. I'm hoping to maybe post some current thoughts and see what people have to say, maybe some alternatives.

Just over a year ago, my partner and I bought our first TT. A small Dutchman T@da that we pull with our 2013 Escape 2.0 Ecoboost with tow package. We spend lots of time traveling to bike races and most of the time camping is available at the event. So after staying in a friends motorhome during a race and realizing how much better it was than tenting or getting hotels, sometimes relatively far away, I spent a lot of time searching and got lucky to find the t@da just down the street, which was exactly what we were looking for (small, light, fully enclosed, full bed and wet bath).

We ended up spending 10+ weekends in the trailer, plus a 2 week trip around the easy coast of Canada/US visiting family and biking. We absolutely loved our time away and being on the road.

Over the past 4-5 months, we've both realized we are looking to mix up life and simplify. We really would love to be on the road full-time. The idea of being able to winter down Arizona/California where we can bike in warm weather, then during the spring/fall/summer months target other prime biking destinations more north for a few weeks at a time is pretty much a dream. Plus spending more significant time in the vicinity aging parents who are 2500 km from each other would be great.

We are mid 30's and have the ability to be mobile with work, including taking 4 months off per year. (Dec/Jan/Feb/March). The other months we'd need to be back in Canada for work, but anywhere, and would likely target Vancouver island for Oct/Nov, April would likely be the tough month as we'd probably want to be around Eastern Canada. Still not sure how logistically easy that would be, any experience would be appreciated. We also have an easy ability to give this a shot for 1 year with minimal repercussions if we want to step back into our current life.

Here comes what I'm really trying to work out. And while compromise will absolutely need to happen, any ideas people have would be great.

We are cyclists. We currently have a basement full of bikes. Between the two of us, there are 10+ that we ride regularly. At best we could get down to a total of 4, but would love to have 6. This is really our only indulgence/excessiveness in life as it's our passion (and the outdoors in general).

I'm currently trying to figure out the best RV/Vehicle for us. Here are some considerations.

- Price. Not a huge investment upfront for a variety of reasons. We generally want to be frugal to ensure we can continue to cut down on things like work hours, responsibility as we get older. $50,000 would ideally be the cost of TV + RV.

- We have to be able to carry bikes with easy access. Preference is in their own unique space. We don't want to be living onto, or even see them. Security is important, they are not $500 bikes.

Here are some options that are crossing my mind:

1) Toyhauler. Problem with most toyhaulers is they are designed for quads/motorcycles and are pretty large. For an RV we'd like to live full-time in, we'd be looking at 28ft+, which generally have 10ft-12 garages and take up lots of prime living space. I definitely would want an enclosed garage area, preferably with separate entrance, not the ramp, as we really don't want to be pulling that up and down each time we go out. I'd really want an RV with at minimum a couch and a dinette (a chair would be a nice bonus) so that we have some space to spread out and work comfortably. Again, most large toyhauler 28-32 ft seem to have only a combo dining/couch, which would be tough if we are both working within the trailer and it's nice to vary where you are sitting.

2) Get a TT and keep the bikes in the back of the truck with a secure cap. This opens lots of living space in the RV if we went 28-32 ft and I could easily get everything I wanted (even down to 26-27 ft). Unfortunately access to bikes in the back of a truck is not great at all, plus if I need to work on them, it has to be done outside. In theory, something like Sprinter type vehicle would be cool, standing height to set up a 'bike shop', however they have relatively low tow capacities (5000-7500 lbs). The other issue with a Sprinter type van, or even a cargo van is that they don't come factory as 4x4 (or AWD). This is something that is pretty important to me as I do like to get off the beaten path. It seems like every time I have a vehicle that isn't at least AWD, I get myself in trouble. Yes I could be better, but that's no fun.

3) Not super interested in a 5th wheel as I'd like to have an enclosed TV for transporting bikes from campgrounds securely.

4) Obviously we a could just go bigger in an RV. We are however pretty minimalistic in nature (except the bikes) and would like to keep it as 'small' as possible. It seems once you get start getting 31+ft, the trailers jump up in price a fair amount, plus at that point you are automatically looking at HD truck, which add costs.

Ideally I'd like to stick with a 1/2 tonne truck, but I'm pretty convinced that's not going to happen.

In saying all that. I think the best option I've seen right now would be a Keystone Outback 310TB (or the 28RS a couple model years old). I think that is beyond the limit of most average 1/2 tonnes, especially given we would be full timing?

Shipping Weight 7427
Carrying Capacity 1573
Hitch 785

If you managed to read through all this. And have any cool idea's, or advice, experience, errors to correct, please contribute.

Really trying to figure out where to compromise. Financially, living space, ease of access to bikes, 4x4 vehicle.

[fugawi]

Another option? Puma 30 THSS

http://www.palominorv.com/productinfo.aspx?model=pumaunl&page=floorplandetails&floorplanid=4321&RVTy...

[fugawi]

I have been looking for solutions to carry a couple of bikes inside. Looked at toy haulers and travel trailers. There are a few lower profile, lighter toy haulers, but they still have the ramp back door.

I looked at several bunkhouse travel trailer floorplans, some with the outside storage door. Usually the outside storage door wasn't large enough to fit the bike with wheels on.

I recently came across the Timber Ridge 270 DBHS (31'8" long). A few things I like about this for carrying bikes, although it may not have the capacity you are looking for:

1. Bunks across back rather than side
2. The above allows a full-sized door on the street side of the trailer to access directly to the bunk/storage area. With this direct access full-sized door could your tandem go all the way across and fit?
3. The "storage door" is larger than most I have seen (although still smaller than the full-sized door).
4. Very good quality trailer and nice interior (but also a bit pricier and heavier)

Curious to see what else you consider. Good luck!

[Steeljag]

Good to read so many RV'ers are cycling! The wife and I have road bikes (she has a Specialized, and I have both a Trek and Specialized). Our "camp ground" bikes are a Specialized Sirrus for me and she has a Diamond back. We enjoy site seeing / exploring local areas near the campgrounds while cycling.

To the OP, hope you find something that will meet your needs! When you do, please post a pic. I may need a bike repair while on the road.....haha!

Good luck and cycle safe!

[JN_B]

CptSydor wrote:
Actually, I don't have a pick-up right now. I have a Ford Escape towing a super light weight trailer. A new tow vehicle and TT will be needed.

I like the concept of a Sprinter type vehicle, I think it would be absolutely great and I've seen and used some of these vehicles first hand that set up for bike teams.

Not ruling it out, but the compromises with this would be a relatively small TT, seeing as max tow capacities are at best 7500lbs (not that that can't be done). No 4x4 is a detractor as well, plus these are pretty big vehicles. We drive by a Mercedes dealership regularly and I point out to my partner the sprinter is going to be our next vehicle, she laughs. We've always had pretty small vehicles, we are generally minimalistic so a Sprinter is mildly comical.

Though the idea of having it set up just like a team van is very appealing however.

That's the problem with this whole thing, there are compromises to be made, and it's hard to decide which ones to make.

You'd be surprised.. My trailer weighs 6300# ready to camp, two slides, 33' long. Although it is what is considered a "lightweight" trailer, so far the only thing (after 3 years of ownership) I can find that KZ scrimped on was the shelves in the underside cabinets.

HOnestly the only other way I'd go is to get a 1 ton truck and a 5er toyhauler with garage. Especially if you're going to travelling that much. Fulltiming you'll want as much room as possible, and you won't want everything to have it's place. Moving bikes to access stuff regularly is a pain.

[RedRocket204]

Nice. Hehe I do live in Yeti country so you see a lot of them around here. Not the reason I gravitated to Yeti...that all started with my Schwinn Homegrown hardtail which I still own and ride...I just can't let go of it. As for Yeti, currently I'm riding a SB95 and absolutely love the bike...fits me and my riding style perfect.

If you're looking for a relaxing, fun ride away from the race circuit, and you haven't done it, make sure and ride Monarch Pass in Salida, CO. It's listed as one of IMBA's Epic rides...great views as about 12 miles are @ 11k feet of the 30+ mile ride. Highly recommended for a fun MTB ride in central CO.

[CptSydor]

RedRocket204 wrote:
CptSydor,

Here is an idea to help out with additional, secured, bike storage within a TT while traveling. This certainly would not work during living times but if you are looking to secure addtional bikes, it may be of use. Dinette table removed with seat storage top flipped over with bike mounts. See the thread link for additional photos and details.



from this thread: RV.NET - Bike carrying solution....finally!

Want to also add per your recommendation of MTB companies to look at for quality frames:

Yeti, Santa Cruz, Niner, Ibis, Salsa, Pivot.

I'm actually biased to Yeti but you will pay the price for the bike...and it is worth it.

Would also like to add that per the wheel size comment...27.5 wheels is definitely the trend right now and you will be paying higher prices on those bikes. Make sure and check into demo programs as better local bike shops offer this as bikes are like gloves...not all fit the rider so it is best to try it first before committing to a large purchase. Demos programs can be similar to paying $100-$150 for up to 5 separate day rentals, usually higher end bikes. If you purchase a bike from that shop, they will almost always subtract that demo price from your purchase.

Thanks. It's good to see these ideas, even if not exactly what I want, they do spur idea's about how to make nice modifications.

And I did love my ASR. Since retired (I've moved completely to 27.5)



I'll be in the front range this summer. Heading out to race Breck Epic and arrive a week early and camping in the Lowry Campground near Frisco, then moving to the race sit for the race. Wish I could have the new TT/TV for this trip, but doubt that will happen. It will be creative packing with the escape/T@da.

[RedRocket204]

CptSydor,

Here is an idea to help out with additional, secured, bike storage within a TT while traveling. This certainly would not work during living times but if you are looking to secure addtional bikes, it may be of use. Dinette table removed with seat storage top flipped over with bike mounts. See the thread link for additional photos and details.



from this thread: RV.NET - Bike carrying solution....finally!

Want to also add per your recommendation of MTB companies to look at for quality frames:

Yeti, Santa Cruz, Niner, Ibis, Salsa, Pivot.

I'm actually biased to Yeti but you will pay the price for the bike...and it is worth it.

Would also like to add that per the wheel size comment...27.5 wheels is definitely the trend right now and you will be paying higher prices on those bikes. Make sure and check into demo programs as better local bike shops offer this as bikes are like gloves...not all fit the rider so it is best to try it first before committing to a large purchase. Demos programs can be similar to paying $100-$150 for up to 5 separate day rentals, usually higher end bikes. If you purchase a bike from that shop, they will almost always subtract that demo price from your purchase.

[CptSydor]

JN_B wrote:
I know you probably don't want to hear this.. But I'd sell the F150 and buy a van. Something like a sprinter or one of the new ram promaster vans.

Lots of race teams are doing something similar, set up the van to hold all bikes/parts, and pull a (small) travel trailer. But the nice part about it, is all bikes will be secure, and dry, and you'll have more options for trailers, as small toyhaulers are very limited in there usable space when the "Garage" is full. Typically you'll have to move most of the bikes out to sleep in the trailer. Far from ideal.

Motorhome/cargo trailer, might work ok, but then you won't have a vehicle to drive to the trailhead every day. Setting up the RV, then taking it down everyday after a bike ride would get old fast.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/5-bikes-across-van-with-underfloor-storage

Actually, I don't have a pick-up right now. I have a Ford Escape towing a super light weight trailer. A new tow vehicle and TT will be needed.

I like the concept of a Sprinter type vehicle, I think it would be absolutely great and I've seen and used some of these vehicles first hand that set up for bike teams.

Not ruling it out, but the compromises with this would be a relatively small TT, seeing as max tow capacities are at best 7500lbs (not that that can't be done). No 4x4 is a detractor as well, plus these are pretty big vehicles. We drive by a Mercedes dealership regularly and I point out to my partner the sprinter is going to be our next vehicle, she laughs. We've always had pretty small vehicles, we are generally minimalistic so a Sprinter is mildly comical.

Though the idea of having it set up just like a team van is very appealing however.

That's the problem with this whole thing, there are compromises to be made, and it's hard to decide which ones to make.

[JN_B]

I know you probably don't want to hear this.. But I'd sell the F150 and buy a van. Something like a sprinter or one of the new ram promaster vans.

Lots of race teams are doing something similar, set up the van to hold all bikes/parts, and pull a (small) travel trailer. But the nice part about it, is all bikes will be secure, and dry, and you'll have more options for trailers, as small toyhaulers are very limited in there usable space when the "Garage" is full. Typically you'll have to move most of the bikes out to sleep in the trailer. Far from ideal.

Motorhome/cargo trailer, might work ok, but then you won't have a vehicle to drive to the trailhead every day. Setting up the RV, then taking it down everyday after a bike ride would get old fast.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/5-bikes-across-van-with-underfloor-storage

[CptSydor]

AlbertaNewbie wrote:
Check the trailer in my sig. Large pack and play door in the back purposefully meant for loading bikes. The bottom bunk flips up and would be super simple to remove (about 5 mins). The top bunk could also be removed fairly 3asy as well. Don't forget you'll have a large awning on the outside that you can work under.

Thank you! That's exactly the type of thing I was looking for from this thread.

[AlbertaNewbie]

Check the trailer in my sig. Large pack and play door in the back purposefully meant for loading bikes. The bottom bunk flips up and would be super simple to remove (about 5 mins). The top bunk could also be removed fairly 3asy as well. Don't forget you'll have a large awning on the outside that you can work under.

[CptSydor]

patperry2766 wrote:
Yeah, I meant SLX instead of XT. Have you ever heard of bikesdirect.com?

Yes, certainly can find some really good deals. Just be careful, they will often list the bike as being an 'SLX bike', but when you carefully look, the build isn't even close to being all SLX, and often many of the other key parts, like brakes and fork are well below that general level. It's takes a careful eye with them.

[CptSydor]

gmw photos wrote:
I didn't read every word of each reply, but if not mentioned yet, how about a used full size one ton van ? In a Ford, that would be a E350. Secure indoor storage for lots of bikes, and plenty of tow capacity for trailer. Used, they tend to be pretty affordable, especially compared to pickups, and the van is essentially the same stout chassis as the pickup.

It's certainly an option. I much prefer to have a 4x4 vehicle and that would necessitate an aftermarket conversion for a fullsize van.

[patperry2766]

Yeah, I meant SLX instead of XT. Have you ever heard of bikesdirect.com?