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FishOnOne wrote:
The one thing I love about my Super Duty is the large widow sill that you can rest your arm on along with the arm rest. This give you a high and a low location to rest your arm. I love this feature so much that when I ride in another brand truck I can't get my arm comfortable because they simply don't have enough space to rest your arm.
I know what you mean. It took me a while to get used to the different arm location going from my F150 to my Ram. It was fine after I got used to though. Although between driving my truck, car, and Jeep(when the doors on) it takes a few miles to get used to there different arm positions. The Jeep is high, the car is even higher, and my Ram is lower than both.- The one thing I love about my Super Duty is the large widow sill that you can rest your arm on along with the arm rest. This give you a high and a low location to rest your arm. I love this feature so much that when I ride in another brand truck I can't get my arm comfortable because they simply don't have enough space to rest your arm.
- The handling and ride of my 2017 Ford is probably the only thing that has me missing my GMC. If I to take something from each truck it would be the IFS and exterior styling of the GMC the Ford powertrain and the Ram interior.
- Once you have enough power to tow 20k up a 10% grade at 75mph...it's more about compensating for a tiny something than any useful purpose.
Cummins12V98 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 400HP to the wheels STOCK on all three and around 1.000 TQ why in the HE!! would you screw with your warranty???
I have tuned every one of my new vehicles over the past few decades well before the warranty period was up. Not once did I ever need the warranty on any of my new vehicles and I would gladly keep tuning them even if I did. Some people just don't care and are wiling to pay to play.
Just like some people like to buy expensive motorcycles or RV's while others may think that spending that much money on them is idiot (like I do) yet don't chastise others for doing it if it brings them joy and they paid for it with their own money.
Everyone has their own vices and things they find enjoyment in. As the old saying goes "Don't criticize a man that sins differently than you do." Same applies to where he chooses to spend his own hard earned money.
I know YOU understand the consequences, but many don't.
Yeah, but even if there are consequences, it is no different than spending money on motorcycles or high dollar RVs. How can one talk about someone spending maybe $5-10k on the consequences when they themselves spend more that twice as much on other stuff that makes them happy? Hot-rodding, making stuff fast that shouldn't be, and creating fun to drive vehicles customized to me has always a passion of mine(an many others) just like bike riding is to you.
I don't get the bike riding thing, but as long as you enjoy doing it then it isn't my business to get. If you want to spend all that money on bikes then more power to you. And if someone wants to pay to play and tune their new truck under warranty then more power to them. You are taking a higher risk with your life(because of other idiots on the road) and they are taking a higher risk with their wallet. Both are "sinning" so to speak, just differently.LIKE2BUILD wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 400HP to the wheels STOCK on all three and around 1.000 TQ why in the HE!! would you screw with your warranty???
I'm in the same boat, although not so much regarding warranty, but just simply the power numbers. Is there seriously a legitimate need for more power with those factory numbers? I know the little kid in us comes out and bigger, faster, more powerful lights up our eyes. But really, isn't that enough power for all the average Joe's using a pickup?
My 2014 Cummins makes 370HP & 800ft-lbs and that is more than enough power to comfortably pull up to (and maybe a little over ;) ) my tow ratings. At 400HP/1,000 ft-lbs with the right chassis these new trucks can tow ridiculous amounts of weight. Also, the horsepower is equivalent and the torque is about 70% of what Cummins advertises in the ISX400 engines used in Class 8 trucks. Seriously, we basically have Tractor-Trailer level power available in a consumer truck. I know durability and other elements are different but from a straight power perspective the modern trucks can just about stand toe to toe with a semi!!!!
Now, if the OEM's (0r aftermarket) could develop technology that will keep my same power but boost my fuel economy by 25% or more then we'd really be talking about something. We have crazy amounts of power and the new trucks run extremely clean so let's start putting a greater focus on efficiency.
My 15 has a measly 385/865 and tow more weight than 99% of the people on here double towing 36k combined West Coast. If I hit 45-55 on some of the steepest grades for a few miles who cares. My truck and trans runs VERY cool even at that weight in 100 degree weather.ShinerBock wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 400HP to the wheels STOCK on all three and around 1.000 TQ why in the HE!! would you screw with your warranty???
I have tuned every one of my new vehicles over the past few decades well before the warranty period was up. Not once did I ever need the warranty on any of my new vehicles and I would gladly keep tuning them even if I did. Some people just don't care and are wiling to pay to play.
Just like some people like to buy expensive motorcycles or RV's while others may think that spending that much money on them is idiot (like I do) yet don't chastise others for doing it if it brings them joy and they paid for it with their own money.
Everyone has their own vices and things they find enjoyment in. As the old saying goes "Don't criticize a man that sins differently than you do." Same applies to where he chooses to spend his own hard earned money.
I know YOU understand the consequences, but many don't.LIKE2BUILD wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 400HP to the wheels STOCK on all three and around 1.000 TQ why in the HE!! would you screw with your warranty???
I'm in the same boat, although not so much regarding warranty, but just simply the power numbers. Is there seriously a legitimate need for more power with those factory numbers? I know the little kid in us comes out and bigger, faster, more powerful lights up our eyes. But really, isn't that enough power for all the average Joe's using a pickup?
My 2014 Cummins makes 370HP & 800ft-lbs and that is more than enough power to comfortably pull up to (and maybe a little over ;) ) my tow ratings. At 400HP/1,000 ft-lbs with the right chassis these new trucks can tow ridiculous amounts of weight. Also, the horsepower is equivalent and the torque is about 70% of what Cummins advertises in the ISX400 engines used in Class 8 trucks. Seriously, we basically have Tractor-Trailer level power available in a consumer truck. I know durability and other elements are different but from a straight power perspective the modern trucks can just about stand toe to toe with a semi!!!!
Now, if the OEM's (0r aftermarket) could develop technology that will keep my same power but boost my fuel economy by 25% or more then we'd really be talking about something. We have crazy amounts of power and the new trucks run extremely clean so let's start putting a greater focus on efficiency.
As he states in the four part series in that link. It is not just about peak power, but when the power is produced as well. Below is a dyno chart of my truck when it had the stock turbo. The top chart horsepower and bottom chart torque. The line at the bottom of each chart is stock and each line up is the various power levels with the first line up being my heavy tow tune and the upper most line is the full effort tune that is only meant to driven unloaded. I can select which one I want to be in with a turn knob selector switch as I am driving down the road.
As you can see, even my heavy tow tune doesn't make that much more peak hp/tq than stock, it does make a lot more at lower rpms. This makes a huge difference when towing and how often I have to downshift. It also makes a difference in fuel economy(about 2-3 mpg from stock) since I am able to hold higher gears for longer since I now have the power to do so at lower rpms. What required 5th or 4th gear before may only require 6th or 5th. I know in stock form, there were many hills that cause me to downshift to 4th as to where not once do I ever shift out of 5th tuned.
Other aspects of a custom tune is changing the shift pattern of the truck. The stock shift tuning is horrible upshifting way to soon putting you in 6th gear at just 45 mph. I was able to tell my tuner to make the truck shift at the exact points (rpm/mph) that I wanted it to in both standard and tow/haul mode. He adjusted the torque converter lockup strategy to lockup sooner and unlock at better times instead of having that jerk when you let of the throttle after it just locked.
He also adjusted my exhaust brake to be stronger and he made it to where it stayed in the last position I had it in when I turned of my truck instead of having to keep turning it on every time I got in my truck. There are various other things the was able to customized to my liking like the throttle pedal to get ride of all of the dead pedal feeling, and some extra gauge cluster modifications.
I basically customized the truck to how I use it and not the vanilla one size fits all tuned meant to keep the truck safe when towing 30k lbs which I don't do. I can now adjust my power levels to how I use my truck at the moment.
Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 400HP to the wheels STOCK on all three and around 1.000 TQ why in the HE!! would you screw with your warranty???
I'm in the same boat, although not so much regarding warranty, but just simply the power numbers. Is there seriously a legitimate need for more power with those factory numbers? I know the little kid in us comes out and bigger, faster, more powerful lights up our eyes. But really, isn't that enough power for all the average Joe's using a pickup?
My 2014 Cummins makes 370HP & 800ft-lbs and that is more than enough power to comfortably pull up to (and maybe a little over ;) ) my tow ratings. At 400HP/1,000 ft-lbs with the right chassis these new trucks can tow ridiculous amounts of weight. Also, the horsepower is equivalent and the torque is about 70% of what Cummins advertises in the ISX400 engines used in Class 8 trucks. Seriously, we basically have Tractor-Trailer level power available in a consumer truck. I know durability and other elements are different but from a straight power perspective the modern trucks can just about stand toe to toe with a semi!!!!
Now, if the OEM's (0r aftermarket) could develop technology that will keep my same power but boost my fuel economy by 25% or more then we'd really be talking about something. We have crazy amounts of power and the new trucks run extremely clean so let's start putting a greater focus on efficiency.- Very interesting and unbias discussion.
