โOct-06-2017 06:24 AM
โOct-22-2017 03:39 AM
RoyJ wrote:
Like everyone else just said: easier to repair != built better.
Just above every component on a modern truck is built way better than their 70's and 80's counterpart.
11.8" rear axle back then? Unthinkable. 50 - 70 ksi steel in a pickup frame? Only used in Kenworths and Petes. 6 - 10 speed transmission with 800+ lb-ft input ratings? Dream on. 6k lbs and 9k lbs front and real axle ratings? Unheard of. 350k+ mile gas engines and 500+ mile diesels? Maybe if you swapped in a Detroit 6-71. 15" disk brakes w/ ABS? Sounds like starwars tech. 7300+ lbs payload in a "1-ton"? Yeah, that'll be the day...
โOct-19-2017 12:58 PM
jfkmk wrote:JIMNLIN wrote:
The OP thread looks like a bash the Dodge/Ram topic with his own general opinion on who or how many has said what about a SUV or Ram pickup payloads.
Payloads back in the day were determined by the vehicles axle/tire capacities.
Why a pickup ?? Hard to tow my heavy GN and 5th wheel trailers with a suv.
OP here. No, I was not bashing Ram st all, if you read my original post, I was comparing answers from a post concerning a Durango v. answers concerning a Ram. It could have been Tahoe v. Silverado or Expedition v. F 150.
My question was why answers to csn i toe it posts seem to say your payload on a SUV will run out with only passengers on board while a pickup will tow it fine, even if payload is the same.
I appreciate everyone's responses, even if some of them were off topic.
I did pick up a 2018 F 150 with the 3.5 eb, and look forward to camping next year (camper is now winterized).
Thanks, guys and gals!
โOct-19-2017 02:49 AM
JIMNLIN wrote:
The OP thread looks like a bash the Dodge/Ram topic with his own general opinion on who or how many has said what about a SUV or Ram pickup payloads.
Payloads back in the day were determined by the vehicles axle/tire capacities.
Why a pickup ?? Hard to tow my heavy GN and 5th wheel trailers with a suv.
โOct-18-2017 01:47 PM
bluepost wrote:
Most full sized SUVs use the same drivetrains and frames as their 1/2 ton counterparts. Toyota, Ford, GM. What is usually different is the suspension. Some knock SUV suspensions, but SUVs often have air suspension, which is a real plus.
Empty full sized SUVs also tend to be heavier than their truck counterparts, assuming the payload numbers work this can be an advantage too.
So to answer your question, in the sizes youโre talking about, there isnโt any reason why a 1/2 ton truck would tow better than a full sized SUV with similar payload capacity. It might even tow better.
โOct-18-2017 11:09 AM
โOct-18-2017 06:51 AM
โOct-18-2017 05:25 AM
Jarlaxle wrote:harmanrk wrote:colliehauler wrote:
Actually car based utility vehicle's are CUV'S regardless that people call them SUV'S.
Crossover Utility Vehicle, is term that has been with us since 2008, when it was first introduced as a marketing term. Unibody SUV's were available several years before that. I know as early as 2001 the Escape/Tribute were Unibody SUV's
Try 1984, with the Jeep Cherokee!
โOct-17-2017 07:02 AM
โOct-17-2017 06:44 AM
Powerdude wrote:
Well, I can tell you for sure that with less electronics and less power, and less gizmos, vehicles were easier to diagnose and repair than newer vehicles.
One NOx sensor can knock out an entire emissions system, and put a vehicle in limp mode now. You need a tow just to get home.
Alternators used to be simple to replace and were usually $69 bucks, and one belt to change. Fuel filters and/or most fuel pumps used to be in line on the fuel line. 10 minute job to change if you had a clog or bad gas. Now you have to drop the whole tank to change a fuel pump.
You could pull the distributor off, clean the points with a little sandpaper, and be on your way. Not anymore if an ECM module goes out, its $799 just for the part.
I'm not that old either, but I do remember buying a distributor cap for $5.99 and swapping it out in the parking lot. 10 minute job and I was on my way.
โOct-17-2017 05:59 AM
โOct-16-2017 06:58 PM
RoyJ wrote:
Like everyone else just said: easier to repair != built better.
Just above every component on a modern truck is built way better than their 70's and 80's counterpart.
11.8" rear axle back then? Unthinkable. 50 - 70 ksi steel in a pickup frame? Only used in Kenworths and Petes. 6 - 10 speed transmission with 800+ lb-ft input ratings? Dream on. 6k lbs and 9k lbs front and real axle ratings? Unheard of. 350k+ mile gas engines and 500+ mile diesels? Maybe if you swapped in a Detroit 6-71. 15" disk brakes w/ ABS? Sounds like starwars tech. 7300+ lbs payload in a "1-ton"? Yeah, that'll be the day...
7300+ lbs payload in a "1-ton"? Yeah, that'll be the day...
โOct-16-2017 06:53 PM
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