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Re: Diesel vs gas......................
They are the same Bosch injectors that the dealer gets. I am willing to pay a little extra for a better warranty as long as that little extra is within reason. I disagree that most are at the mercy of the dealership. I think most people feel the dealership will do a better job but that is not always true. I agree that even $500 per injector is outrageous but then again I don't know exactly what it takes to build a diesel injector. I am fortunate enough to have the tools and the ability to work on my own vehicles. I think I started doing that because I was a poor college student at one time and had to learn to fix things on my own. My wife says it's because I am tight and will squeeze a quarter until the eagle screams.:B254Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Hannibal wrote: rrnelsonjr wrote: Hannibal wrote: But at over $10,000 for a set of injectors for a 6.7L Cummins from the Dodge shop, I'm sure I'd rather replace a set of coils. A complete injector is $500 to $600 each. I do all my own work so I don't know for sure, but I find it really hard to believe that additional parts and labor from a shop is going to run $6,000 to $7,000. If it does, then it's no wonder I do my own wrenching. Just passing along what I read over at the DieselTruckRegister from a member there who got tangled in the mess. I don't even want to think what a set of injectors would cost for a PSD installed. But $3600 for six over the counter 3rd party shade tree rebuilt injectors after core exchange is pretty cheap! Why I will NOT be using any gimmicks, gadgets, snake oils or other unapproved aftermarket money grabs on my 5th Cummins powered Ram.:B http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/injectors-junk-chrysler-wants-10200-replace-t236674.html First of all, you found one person and the majority of the responses said the same thing I did...that is way way too much money. Second of all, a Bosch injector is a Bosch injector. They are not better just because they came from a Dodge dealer. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to go to the Dodge dealer when a Cummins specialist can do the same job so much cheaper. The most expensive new one I found was this one and it is $750 for a new Bosch http://www.shopdiesel.com/_e/07_5_09_6_7_Cummins/product/0-445-120-050/New_Stock_Injector.htm Then I found this one for $607.08 and it too was a new Bosch. http://www.angoladavesdiesel.com/shop_website_018.htm I found another site that had the injector for $575 that had the same part number but it did not specifically state it was a Bosch so I decided to omit that link. So even if the most expensive injector is used, the extra parts, tax, and labor is still $5,500? That is a rip-off. I guess what I am saying is shop around. On edit, I found another new one from Pure Cummins for $499. http://www.purecummins.com/catalog/67l24v/Dodge-67L-Cummins-Diesel-New-Bosch-Stock-Fuel-Injector-07508NEW.php253Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Hannibal wrote: But at over $10,000 for a set of injectors for a 6.7L Cummins from the Dodge shop, I'm sure I'd rather replace a set of coils. A complete injector is $500 to $600 each. I do all my own work so I don't know for sure, but I find it really hard to believe that additional parts and labor from a shop is going to run $6,000 to $7,000. If it does, then it's no wonder I do my own wrenching.254Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Tankerhank wrote: ... the ignition of a explosive fuel/air mixture. Unless you have a flux capacitor... then platinum. May the swarts be with you. And one of the results of the explosion is heat. The other is the rapid expansion of gasses resulting in the forcing down of the piston which, in essence, results in horsepower. Horsepower does not create heat. I do agree with you that the heat is not caused solely by friction. If my engine created that much heat from friction alone it would weld itself together.253Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Tankerhank wrote: Horse power is the biggest heat creator, not friction... more horse power = more heat. I think you need to rethink this statement. On an internal combustion engine, if horsepower creates heat then what creates horsepower?252Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Old Time RV'er wrote: If you are basicly flatlanding, why bother with a diesel when a V-10 or something like that will do.....except for ego. I don't think I can agree with this statement. It is like saying...why buy a 30 ft FW when a 19 ft TT "will do" or why buy a 2000 square ft house when a 1500 "will do". I think we buy what we buy because it is (1) what we want, (2) what we are comfortable with, and (3) because it is in our price range, not to stroke our ego. Although, there are certainly some exceptions to this.307Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
bluenote wrote: Oil changes: my big block took 7.25 quarts, my diesel takes 10 quarts and the change interval is significantly longer with my diesel, so it's less per year in oil change costs. Tune Ups: that's a gasser thing, what are you gonna tune up on a diesel? Brakes, Suspension: those are the same on an equivalent chassis, regardless of the engine, so that's a wash. Filters: air filter is the same, oil filter for me is the same price, fuel filter is more, but not as much as what i save in oil change costs yearly. Repair Costs: for standard things like belts and hoses, a wash...for major engine work, the one area where the diesel may cost you more. However, when I bought mine, the warranty was nearly 3 times as long on the engine, so some of that liability is offset by the better warranty. I had the same experience when I had my small block. I had to buy a greater amount of oil each time I did the oil change but I had to buy it less often. When I follow the owners manual for the scheduled maintenance I see roughly the same cost between my previous gasser and the diesel.336Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Sport45 wrote: By nature, people are pretty defensive of their possessions. As long as there is more than one option in powerplants folks will be taking sides and arguing that their choice was the right one, and it could very well be. Looking back on my previous posts, I wasn't very clear on my point so let me see if I can do a better job this time....I hope I can. There are plenty of magazine and internet articles that try to compare diesel against gas. Some of those articles say diesel has the advantage and others say gas has the advantage. How is someone trying to shop for a TV supposed to figure out which testing was biased and which was not? I've seen people on various forums that are very passionate about their choice and believe everyone else should make the same choice they did, even going as far as trying to degrade others for not making the same decision they did. Factoring this together, it makes it difficult (not impossible) for someone shopping for a TV to make a fully informed decision. We all know these tow vehicles, whether we buy them new or used, are very expensive and we want to make the best choice possible to suit our needs. Somehow we have to separate fact from hype in order to make that decision and doing a lot of reading and talking will help make that decision. Due to generous family and friends, I was lucky enough to sample various vehicles under towing conditions and when I looked at my towing miles (how often and where I tow most of the time) and my empty miles (commuting to work and general errands) I was able to choose the best overall TV for me. I know the previous paragraph doesn't help the overall subject of "diesel vs gas" so, for anyone who is interested, I will give the Readers Digest version of my experience. When I had a 23 ft trailer (5,500 to 6,000 lbs loaded) the 5.3L had good power and acceptable fuel economy. When I moved up to the 30 ft trailer (9,000 to 9,500 lbs loaded) the 5.3L just didn't do the job anymore. Due to family and friends, I had experiences with the GM 6.0 gas, the GM 7.4 gas, the Dodge 5.9 gas (I think that was the size), the GM 6.5 diesel, and the 6.0 PSD. When I looked at my overall situation (towing the TT, towing the gooseneck stock trailer loaded with cattle, and towing the gooseneck flatbed loaded with farming equipment, and commuting to my 40 hour job) I decided the diesel was the best overall vehicle. When my kids are grown and moved away, I might purchase a smaller TT. If I am done farming at that time, I will go back to the 5.3 in an instant. It has already proven to me that it is a strong and reliable engine and I had no complaints when I was towing the 23 ft TT. My uncle has the same truck I do but never tows anything with it. He bought it new in Feb 2006 and he is starting to have EGR issues. This is purely theory but I believe he is having the problems because he never uses the engine the way it was designed to be used, he only uses it to commute to work. Looking at the way he uses his truck, I think he would have been better off getting a 5.3 or even a 4.8 because they get roughly the same mileage. I, on the other hand, bought mine in April 2006 and have not had any EGR codes come up but my truck spends a lot of time hooked to heavier trailers.161Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Hannibal wrote: And the heavily modified Dmax and Cummins aren't producing far more horsepower than a stock V-10? And a diesel power magazine is going to give an unbiased comparison? Here's an unbiased comparison... http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout4mpg.html The point is for every link that states gas is better than diesel there is another link stating diesel is better than gas.161Views0likes0CommentsRe: Diesel vs gas......................
Ace! wrote: Here is another article on the 6.8L Ford versus Ford's diesels. Looks like the V10 puts more rear wheel torque to the ground at "highway speed". Basically, it's all about gearing and torque curves (torque at rpm). V10 vs PSDs I can post internet links too! 2008 6.4l PSD vs. V-10 Similar article just in a different format These two are just for fun :C. V10 vs Duramax drag race v10 vs Cummins drag race173Views0likes0Comments
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