All ActivityMost RecentMost LikesSolutionsRe: Keystone Springdale Quality?Keystone - IMHO doesn't build units any better or any worse than the other major high volume manufacturers. They may have a little more "value" due to the nature of the high volume business. If you get a good one, you'll be very happy. If you get a bad one, or have warranty issues - as far as I'm concerned Keystone is bottom of the barrel in resolving warranty issues. In most circumstances you'll only be able to service it at the purchasing dealer. Before you buy it, read Keystone's response to consumers on BBB complaints - see the types of issues people are having and how the business responds. Then decided if you want to "gamble"....TPO roof membrane installation guide / best practicesAnyone have any *written* materials from Alpha on TPO installation? I've emailed them without any success. I'm in need of a roof replacement and want to make sure that the proper steps are taken... Different shops repair/replace these roofs in different ways.Re: Outcome of Toy Hauler SearchI don't think you can go wrong with Grand Design.Re: Cable driven slideouts mechanismInspection of these slide cables needs to be added to PDI checklists. I don't think these are bad systems, I actually hear about more trouble from the Schwintek slides. Accu-slide has a dedicated support guy that is great and he'll help both consumers and dealers. 2015 Keystone 5th wheel. 2 of the 3 slides (all cable slides) have issues. Over 70 days in the shop now trying to fix. * The cable wires are digging into the jamb-clamp (this is the inside aluminum trim piece). It's been this way since the RV was new. Accu-slide says the cables may touch when operating the slide, but the cable should not ride against the aluminum, otherwise it will eventually wear the cable - especially bad when running down the road. * The main side tends to get out of center. It's actually scraping itself on the slide opening (aluminum to aluminum). This may be more about the RV manufacturing and limit-rollers or the slide itself being out of square. If you buy an RV with these slides, make sure the wires come through the opening in the diamond-shaped hole. It's pretty easy to tell if they are cutting through the aluminum. I should have caught this on PDI, but it was my first rig with cable slides. I'm not sure that this is an issue that can be resolved, but we're approaching out of warranty, so likely that will limit additional repair attempts (at least with Keystone). A few photos: Re: 5th Wheel purchace helpAt the upper end of moderately priced is Grand Design. Their after-the-sale service is historically excellent and generally free of the "talk to the dealer" run-around that many major brands provide. With Thor buying up most of the industry (including Jayco) your options are getting more and more limited every day. Whatever you choose - learn to look for the things that indicate quality but don't sell RVs - like what type of tires they install, do the RVs come with wet bolt kits on the suspension. The manufacturers who skip on these things skip on other stuff. Expect problems. These are rolling houses built by humans. You can't buy your way into the perfect RV, but you can check on the reputation of the manufacturer and see how they (typically) respond to problems. I'd recommend looking at BBB complaints for any considered brand to see how they respond to consumers.Re: Heartland Vs Jayco Me Again wrote: Hope you are not down of Forest River also, as between them and Thor this have the market pretty much cornered. Chris Forest River seems to have a decent stream of pretty bad problems that require outside pressure to get resolved. Grand Design is the other option - they're still independent and caring about servicing their customers is clearly part of their model... I was a happy Jayco owner (last RV). The Thor purchase takes them off the table, although even I will admit that's probably over-reactive as long as they're run (short term) like an independent business.Re: Keystone Fail-Sky River RV FailThis again. We had the exact same problem on our Keystone Carbon 327. I know of two others that litigated the subsequent roof replacement because Keystone says that replacing the roof OSB "causes other problems" - so they just leave the peeled off OSB on there. I've found a bunch of people with 2014-2016 Keystones where this is happening. Being as though Keystone has seen this at least 4 times that I know about personally, they should recognize this immediately. This isn't a factory cut. It's caused by the front of your roof not being glued down. When it balloons up, while moving down the road, the TPO gets cut on that AC frame. Want to see it in action? Here is how it starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQet_grFELY6-month old Keystone roof Mine did exactly the same thing: I contacted Keystone - they told me to use "duct tape" and take it back. Like your dealer, I tried Dicor, but that was a bad idea. Eternabond it (now). You're looking at a roof replacement. Here's what I know about that: 1) If you're in warranty, Keystone may do a replacement. How well it is done depends on the skill of your dealer, so you need to check that out first. However, they will NOT pay for replacement of the OSB, so when they pull off the TPO, some OSB will come with it. The resulting repair will hold water, won't leak or tear (if done right) but will look like Oatmeal. This is my roof: Someone else's roof - same problem and repair: 2) If you're not under warranty and the dealer documents that the roof is sealed and that the TPO is coming up, they may splice in a new piece of TPO. So much for that "1-piece" roof with a 10+ year warranty you were sold, huh? Anyway, this works and may be a better repair if you don't want a roof that looks like mine. Your dealer is repairing it completely wrong...Re: Keystone Sprinter 28BH vs. Jayco Jay Flight 27BHHaving owned both brand, hands down, buy the Jayco. The Keystone warranty is 1-year... Assuming you can get service (probably only at your purchasing dealer). Our minimum time to repair is 30-day. Keystone puts a wall called the "dealer" between you and actual product support. If the dealer fails to repair or does a bad job, you're stuck with the dealer to resolve it. Jayco - direct support and parts if you need it. I'd pay 50% more for the Jayco. Literally. Better hurry though, Thor just bought Jayco. They also own Keystone.Re: 2014 Keystone Sprinter - Battery DisconnectFYI - the keystone factory disconnect is for "most stuff" - you need a real disconnect if you dont want a discharged battery.Re: Keystone quality ?2015 Carbon: 1) Roof came up and had to be replaced 2) Interior lighting (all LED lights) failed 3) Slide misalligned 4) Black/Gray water label guy strikes again 9 months so far.
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