Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation
There was a request for a link to Ford's answer's to the NHTSA investigation posted on a previous thread, since closed. Here is the link: Ford's NHTSA Answers to the 6.7 investigation This PDF i...
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I'd say the present domestic USA consensus (unspoken, unwritten) is that a car should be relatively trouble free for 100,000 miles.
That is the consensus for a car and not full size truck. For full size trucks, the number is around 150,000 miles.
The number for Class C and above RVs is something a lot shorter.
Thereafter, a car is called "old", "heap", or like terms to denote that it is no longer the manufacture's responsibility except on the mandatory of safety recalls.
Coincidentally, warranties are now at 5/6/7/8 ish years for emissions by law, and rust warranties of between 5 to 7 years, and it can be seen that most vehicles will coast onto 100,000 miles with little difficulty --- though some components like plugs and coolants, are having problems reaching the milestone.
The business and regulatory model in place is still that you can keep the car as long as it keeps running and meet the minimum safety / emissions (grandfathered) for that model year.
Ever so slowly, we are creeping to a different model, where vehicles have a defined life and once it is beyond that --- it is parted out or scrapped --- and not certifiable as safe anymore. That is the dominant Aerospace model, where a combination of factors, like hours operated, take-off landing cycles, etc. makes for a matrix of "life". go beyond the life, and the plane is done.
I give it about 15 years before we move to the aerospace model --- because if we do move to that model, cars can be built much lighter, more economical on fuel, etc. because they only have to work for say, 7 to 10 years.
If you very carefully read the warranties on the Toyota Prius and the pricing structure of the parts / service, you will find that we are in fact, already there on select models. Quietly, stealthy, and without a fuss, it is coming in.
Warranties being extended on one end, and "drop dead" schemes at the other end such as simply not making certain parts available at any price after a certain number of years.
Try to buy a new computer for the Prius...
I'd say the present domestic USA consensus (unspoken, unwritten) is that a car should be relatively trouble free for 100,000 miles.
That is the consensus for a car and not full size truck. For full size trucks, the number is around 150,000 miles.
The number for Class C and above RVs is something a lot shorter.
Thereafter, a car is called "old", "heap", or like terms to denote that it is no longer the manufacture's responsibility except on the mandatory of safety recalls.
Coincidentally, warranties are now at 5/6/7/8 ish years for emissions by law, and rust warranties of between 5 to 7 years, and it can be seen that most vehicles will coast onto 100,000 miles with little difficulty --- though some components like plugs and coolants, are having problems reaching the milestone.
The business and regulatory model in place is still that you can keep the car as long as it keeps running and meet the minimum safety / emissions (grandfathered) for that model year.
Ever so slowly, we are creeping to a different model, where vehicles have a defined life and once it is beyond that --- it is parted out or scrapped --- and not certifiable as safe anymore. That is the dominant Aerospace model, where a combination of factors, like hours operated, take-off landing cycles, etc. makes for a matrix of "life". go beyond the life, and the plane is done.
I give it about 15 years before we move to the aerospace model --- because if we do move to that model, cars can be built much lighter, more economical on fuel, etc. because they only have to work for say, 7 to 10 years.
If you very carefully read the warranties on the Toyota Prius and the pricing structure of the parts / service, you will find that we are in fact, already there on select models. Quietly, stealthy, and without a fuss, it is coming in.
Warranties being extended on one end, and "drop dead" schemes at the other end such as simply not making certain parts available at any price after a certain number of years.
Try to buy a new computer for the Prius...
