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NinerBikes
Mar 28, 2012Explorer
BenK wrote:
Now thinking all CP3 and CP4 pumps hammer the follower and piston bottom and
from the metering valve shutting off the inlet to the cylinder head
This sets itself up for failure when at such time a sequence or maybe just one
event happens...or often enough
Now ask what is the RPM range of the little diesels in those 'cars' ?
Goes back to these basic issues that then stack up to the event(s) mentioned
at the end of this
- Poor lube quality of the fuel
- Poor cooling of that cavity
- Re-cycling of that poor lube
- Small cavity so that there is no buffer capacity
- Extreme PSI at the contact patch of the follower/roller and the cam
- DLC to solve (didn't) that extreme PSI
- Organic amines attacking the DLC...bet higher heat makes it more reactive
- Hammering of the piston bottom and follower to create debris
- H2O intrusion via contaminated fuel not filtered out by both membrane filter and separator and/or emulsification
- Suspect cam shaft bearing's ability to keep H2O out during a cavitation event
- metering valve shuts during decel and/or EB to create cavitation potentials
- Potential mis-alignment between the cam and follower roller, made more so during any cavitation or vacuum event in that too small cavity
That is all going on all the time. The higher the RPMs the more so
or worse it can get to be till....
Till one of those cavitation events dislodges some debris into that
too small and poorly lubed/flushed/etc cam area...where there is extreme
PSI between the cam face that follower roller...some debris gets into
that contact area to have the roller mash it into the DLC coated cam
face.
Maybe not a failure that instant, but surely soon after at another event...
Now the ambient conditions and the seemly association with failure
Wonder which of the above is affected by raising ambient conditions?
Then wonder why CP3's don't seem to have as many failures? That part
does not jive...or is the differences in the pump the key?
Fuel, it's viscosity and lubricity is affected negatively by heat and pressure. It atomizes better when hot and thin, less pollution, it does not lubricate better at high temps and pressure.
CP3 runs at 1300 bar, much lower pollution level standard back then when it came into inception in 2004 or 2005? CP4 runs at 2000 bar, and Bosch has hinted that the next generation of HPFP is slated for 3000 bar pressure to the common rail. I think they need to solve for failure at 2000 bar pressure before they step it up another big notch. The heat and pressure is going to go exponential when you run the new version 3000 bar pump at redline or more of 5000 to 5500 rpm in a TDI.
I am curious as hell what Bosch built for a HPFP for an Audi R10 or R 12 for LeMans in 2011, what they ran for design, for pressure, for redline on the motor, and I know they ran special Shell GTL diesel of about 65+ cetane manufactured in Malaysia at a special Shell / Royal Dutch oil refinery.
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