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Alison_and_Neil's avatar
Nov 30, 2015

How are the RV parks faring?

Arrived here at Totonaks RV PArk in San Carlos yesterday.
Was very surprised to see how empty it was. We are here at this time for the past 3 years and have never seen it so empty of RV's
Maybe it is just early or just a decline because of US exchange rates....or....???
How are the other parks on the West Coast faring?

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  • On a roll? I'm 63 and I've never earned more than I do now. But... It seems like when I was 30 I had more disposable income. We bought new vehicles, a travel trailer, and other toys. We traveled much more then too; across the US and into Mexico every year. Now, even though we earn more than ever there's not much left over for travel. Our travel trailer hasn't moved in 3 years. We don't spend money frivolously either.
    Unemployment is low, not counting the 94 million Americans who have given up. Young people return to live with the parents, others live 8-10 people to a house (three's company has become eight's company).

    I'm not citing political causes. Everything is so expensive. There aren't many manufacturing jobs left in America. There's too much dysfunction.
    I'd hate to be 20 years old now and starting out.
    The world our parents left us isn't like the world we will be leaving our kids.
  • The US economy is on a roll. Auto sales have not been this high since 2001. SUv's are hard to find. I cannot speak for Baja but RVing on the mainland has been in decline for at least 8 years. And it will continue to decline. Almot should have stated that RVing in Mexico has lost it's luster ( mainland). Canadians may be staying home. Too many hoops for newbies to jump through. Horrible CG's with no maintenance. These things wont bother the experienced Mexico traveler but for someone new who has had a taste of fancy mega parks it won't do. RV sales are also doing well. But how many of those buyers want to travel Mexico? Russ seems to have success in attracting RV'rs but PP is very close to the border. And he can be very convincing

    Moisheh
  • Almot wrote:
    Pretty slow in Baja. Many reasons, I don't think $US/CAD exchange rate is to blame since Canadians are less than 1/3 of seasonal campers. Slow economy in both US and Canada - it picked up a little, then stopped and expected to decline a little now. US gas prices dropped but still pretty high compared to 5-10 years ago, and wages and pensions didn't increase for years. In Mexico, as you know, the govt withdrew the subsidy on gasoline and it now costs more than in California.

    RV-ing is losing its appeal. Wilderness (or what looks like wilderness) is disappearing, giving place to developments. People with money are buying homes, land, huge parcels on the coast where there was nothing before - and still nothing, but it's been bought and something will be build. It's not that real estate is booming here - it is slow, but when you have enough money to buy a dozen kilometers of coastline for your own use, you don't care whether it's slow - in fact you want it to remain slow and void of neighbors.


    There are so many things about your statement that are misleading at best I am not sure where to start.

    The US economy, despite some popular "feelings" is doing quite well. It has produced an average of 200,000 jobs PER MONTH for more than two years.

    The unemployment rate has been on a steady decline and was at 5.0% for October.

    Consumer confidence is high and people are spending money..lots of it.

    No. the economy is doing fine in the US.

    As for gas prices in Mexico being a factor; Gas in Mexico is about the same as Canada in US dollar terms per gallon at the current Canadian exchange rate for USD. Therefore I just dont see how gas prices can be cited as a factor.

    Further the small difference in Gas prices in Mexico vs Canada or some US states Like California I don't beleive is enough to make people decide not to come.

    Thirdly, people with money have Always bought up prime waterfront property at least since Roman times. This is not new. And it really has no effect on whether someone decides to vacation with their RV in Mexico.

    As for RV'ing losing it's appeal. Look again. RV sales are at an all time high. RV manufacturers are building more plants to meet the demand. The bulge of the Baby Boom is arriving...I am sorry but the facts just dont support what you contend.

    The price of gas adjusted for inflation is lower than it has been in a long time. Mexico's gas is actually reasonable compared to other nations. Cambodia and Thailand over $5 per gallon, England around $6 per gallon. Most of the world pays much higher gas prices than we do on this continent. As a percentage of average income (adjusted for inflation)gas is cheaper than it has been in years.

    But the entire premise that there is no one here, at least in Baja, seems a bit off to me. When I was looking for Mex insurance for this trip several places took some time to get back to me...they all said the same thing "we are busier than we have been in years" One well known place told me in apology for not getting back to me sooner, that they had a line at their door that morning.

    The RV parks I have been to here so far have not been full, but neither have they been empty. But they have been steady. Almost filling then emptying out then re filling again.

    The loss of RV parks has more to do with rising land prices and development of ALL kinds than it does with how much business there is. If you are the owner of a prime piece of real estate which is an RV park. You have to compare how much income you get per square foot. Now think about the income per square foot if you sell it or put condos on it? A much different picture. These are the economic factors really at play here. Especially on the coasts.

    And this is just the way things happen all over the world. Beach shacks and cheap bars in Bali gave way to 5 star resorts. Same in Thailand, Acapulco years ago and almost any other place you can name.

    Also destinations and resorts go through cycles. Up and down years are common and some of it has as much to do with how much good or bad press they are receiving as it does with the reality of what it is really like.

    YOU may be discouraged but I see plenty of people from all over the world traveling here who are not.
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
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    Pretty slow in Baja. Many reasons, I don't think $US/CAD exchange rate is to blame since Canadians are less than 1/3 of seasonal campers. Slow economy in both US and Canada - it picked up a little, then stopped and expected to decline a little now. US gas prices dropped but still pretty high compared to 5-10 years ago, and wages and pensions didn't increase for years. In Mexico, as you know, the govt withdrew the subsidy on gasoline and it now costs more than in California.

    RV-ing is losing its appeal. Wilderness (or what looks like wilderness) is disappearing, giving place to developments. People with money are buying homes, land, huge parcels on the coast where there was nothing before - and still nothing, but it's been bought and something will be build. It's not that real estate is booming here - it is slow, but when you have enough money to buy a dozen kilometers of coastline for your own use, you don't care whether it's slow - in fact you want it to remain slow and void of neighbors.
  • Playa de Oro is 1/2 to 3/4 full, Playa Bonita is 3/4 to + full, the Reef has a few RVs enjoying our awesome weather here in Peñasco. I have 80 rigs coming in Feburary and another 66 in March. Don't give up on us we should be fine. Hola from Mexico, hope to see you soon!
  • La parota in Lo de marcos is 1/2 full, pretty good for this early in the season. I am bringing down a caravan of 17 rigs in January. Cross the border at Nogales on Jan 10th, anyone crossing around then may want to avoid that date, KM 21 will be busy.