Federal Mask mandate

ford truck guy wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ford truck guy wrote:
And much of the time when reporting the news, they are ALL bending the truth to fit the agenda... either Right OR Left

The agenda has always been ratings and profits. True, false, right, left, center, is just the method to get the ratings up.

And temperatures up.. and blood pressure up.. ! :B

Which if they play us right. Gets the profits up.
It a viscous cycle.

wapiticountry wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wapiticountry wrote:
As for the "mask Mandate", my only concern is the authorities may use it as a wedge to delve much deeper into your travels. Does it open up the door to "probable cause" leading to searching your car, RV and campsite looking for who knows what? Personally, I don't want to be stopped by the highway patrol on the interstate under the pretense of "you weren't wearing the mandated mask".

No! This is borderline paranoia.

Tell that to the minority communities and others who have lived for decades with policies like "Stop and Frisk". Those who have been pulled over for failing to signal a lane change, drifting onto the shoulder for a second, driving without a seatbelt, using a cellphone while driving etc. only to then have their vehicles searched, their IDs validated and only after the all clear let off with a "warning". In those cases it is obvious the intent was not to give a warning, but to use those minor violations as a way to investigate the car and driver. I see no reason a federal mask mandate couldn't be used as another workaround an otherwise warrantless search.

Not wearing a mask in the vehicle is not a moving violation like all things mentioned.
Yes I understand what you are saying and I still think you are fine with no mask in your private vehicle on federal lands.

As I see well intentioned and smart people squabble over minutia, I am reminded of the ancient parable about a group of blind men examining an elephant for the first time, each claiming their version as "absolute truth" (based on their personal subjective experiences).

You know the story, the man that touched the elephant's side, concluded the elephant is like a wall, the man that touched the tusk, said it is like a spear, the man that touched the trunk, said it was like a snake, and so forth. Each claiming their version as the "absolute truth", while ignoring the claims of the other blind men. So it is fists to cuffs and the blind men fight, ignoring claims of the others.

The moral of the parable is that humans have a tendency to claim "absolute truth" based on their limited, subjective experience and quick to ignore other people's experiences...which may also be equally true.

Is the blind man that said the elephant is like a spear correct? Or is the blind man that said the elephant like a snake correct? Who is wrong? Who is correct?

Which is the best RV? Let's see, we have Class A, B & C motorhomes, fifth wheels, single, dual and tri axle travel trailers, pop ups, and of course truck campers.

I say dual axle TT is the best RV, hence I bought one; my friend says TC is the best, hence he bought one. Who is right?

Is possible that those with opposing opinions (FoxNews vs CNN) are both true, since each person's "absolute truth" is based on different personal experiences? Sure--we don't live in a "binary world" where there is just hot/cold or black/white; there are different degrees of warm (my warm maybe equal to your hot) and we have infinite shades of gray (watch a B&W movie).

I say toe-mato, you say tah-maito...

One version of the elephant story---
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Ud/ud6_4.html

wapiticountry wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wapiticountry wrote:
As for the "mask Mandate", my only concern is the authorities may use it as a wedge to delve much deeper into your travels. Does it open up the door to "probable cause" leading to searching your car, RV and campsite looking for who knows what? Personally, I don't want to be stopped by the highway patrol on the interstate under the pretense of "you weren't wearing the mandated mask".

No! This is borderline paranoia.

Tell that to the minority communities and others who have lived for decades with policies like "Stop and Frisk". Those who have been pulled over for failing to signal a lane change, drifting onto the shoulder for a second, driving without a seatbelt, using a cellphone while driving etc. only to then have their vehicles searched, their IDs validated and only after the all clear let off with a "warning". In those cases it is obvious the intent was not to give a warning, but to use those minor violations as a way to investigate the car and driver. I see no reason a federal mask mandate couldn't be used as another workaround an otherwise warrantless search.

Totally agree.

And don’t think it’s out of the question for the US to try mandating wearing a mask EVERYWHERE, no exceptions. Including in your car, by yourself, with the windows rolled up. Some jurisdictions have already done it, or tried to do it. When policy is driven by panic and fear, anything is possible. Throw a little political vindictiveness in the mix and you have no idea how crazy emergency mandates can get.

I’ve been hearing the “You’re just paranoid!” arguments for years regarding concealed carry and 2A issues in general. Nothing is more scary to me than an angry mob of panicked people.

:):)

time2roll wrote:

wapiticountry wrote:
As for the "mask Mandate", my only concern is the authorities may use it as a wedge to delve much deeper into your travels. Does it open up the door to "probable cause" leading to searching your car, RV and campsite looking for who knows what? Personally, I don't want to be stopped by the highway patrol on the interstate under the pretense of "you weren't wearing the mandated mask".

No! This is borderline paranoia.

Tell that to the minority communities and others who have lived for decades with policies like "Stop and Frisk". Those who have been pulled over for failing to signal a lane change, drifting onto the shoulder for a second, driving without a seatbelt, using a cellphone while driving etc. only to then have their vehicles searched, their IDs validated and only after the all clear let off with a "warning". In those cases it is obvious the intent was not to give a warning, but to use those minor violations as a way to investigate the car and driver. I see no reason a federal mask mandate couldn't be used as another workaround an otherwise warrantless search.

NRALIFR wrote:

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

Have you noticed that some have taken to wearing two masks; a disposable mask under a cloth mask???

DW does this to keep her makeup off her fancy stylish mask. Masks have become a fashion statement among the ladies.

No kidding! I hate it when my lipstick ruins my favorite chili pepper print cloth mask! :W

My apologies. I didn't realize you are female. I assumed you were the guy on the JD

No, you’re correct. That’s me!

Problem? :W :B

:):)

I don't have a problem with a guy wearing lipstick. Be yourself and to each their own.

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

Have you noticed that some have taken to wearing two masks; a disposable mask under a cloth mask???

DW does this to keep her makeup off her fancy stylish mask. Masks have become a fashion statement among the ladies.

No kidding! I hate it when my lipstick ruins my favorite chili pepper print cloth mask! :W

My apologies. I didn't realize you are female. I assumed you were the guy on the JD

No, you’re correct. That’s me!

Problem? :W :B

:):)

NRALIFR wrote:

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

Have you noticed that some have taken to wearing two masks; a disposable mask under a cloth mask???

DW does this to keep her makeup off her fancy stylish mask. Masks have become a fashion statement among the ladies.

No kidding! I hate it when my lipstick ruins my favorite chili pepper print cloth mask! :W

My apologies. I didn't realize you are female. I assumed you were the guy on the JD

2112 wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:

Have you noticed that some have taken to wearing two masks; a disposable mask under a cloth mask???

DW does this to keep her makeup off her fancy stylish mask. Masks have become a fashion statement among the ladies.

No kidding! I hate it when my lipstick ruins my favorite chili pepper print cloth mask! :W

Seriously though, I’ve seen plenty of double-masking on makeup wearers and non-makeup wearers alike. I don’t claim to understand all the reasoning behind it though. I’m just happy to see them wearing a mask properly.

:):)

NRALIFR wrote:

Have you noticed that some have taken to wearing two masks; a disposable mask under a cloth mask???

DW does this to keep her makeup off her fancy stylish mask. Masks have become a fashion statement among the ladies.