Shutdown park woes

Lynnmor wrote:
It's nice that local groups and businesses are helping with the maintenance work but it would be even nicer if those that are going to eventually be paid in full, when their paid vacation is over, would also help.

Very, very good point.

It's nice that local groups and businesses are helping with the maintenance work but it would be even nicer if those that are going to eventually be paid in full, when their paid vacation is over, would also help.

DutchmenSport wrote:

No, it starts at the bottom. It starts with you and me. If (you and me) did the "right" thing, then there would be no need for any kind of intervention from "the top."

If nothing else, those of us who cherish our National Parks, who cherish the great outdoors, and who want to continue to preserve this way of life for ourselves and our children, then all we can do is take our own personal responsibility ... leave your campsite cleaner than when you first arrived. Simple. If everyone did that, at lease one part of this world would be a much better place.

The one who throws a simple cigarette butt on the ground for someone else to pick up is just as guilty as these people who are destroying our parks right now by leaving trash and human waste.

I couldn't agree with you more. Every time we go to one of our favorite fishing spots where we are able to boondock, we have to do cleanup.
Water bottle caps are the worst, followed by cigarette butts, and beer cans.
Too many people just assume someone else will pick up after them.

Cardinal rule for responsible campers, You pack it in, you pack it out. Always leave your campsite cleaner than you found it, Those complaining the loudest are probably the biggest laziest slobs of all.

agesilaus wrote:
There is no good solution. I'm not in favor of shutting the parks down like was done several years ago. But people need to behave better. Any reports from parks away from big cities? Perhaps they are faring better.

Yes.I just read a report from Yellowstone where the private company that runs the snowmobile tours has taken it upon themselves to keep things cleaned. Of course this time of year there aren't many visitors due to the weather, but they are keeping it going. Many of these parks have "Friends of the Park" groups,some of which have been pitching in to help. It's unfortunate that so many people are so uncaring to trash our National Treasures.

This just shows why the NP's were created in the first place, due to destruction from everyone who thought they could do as they please on someone else's property.

agesilaus wrote:
Yeah but these kids are deep dipped in environmentalism, Gaia worship and such. From the moment they step into public schools. Doesn't seem to be the right brand of loving the planet tho.

I missed the part that identified the perps as kids.

That is who is not being taught to respect our world by the, "Me First" generation and why things will most likly get worst, before they get better. "Teach your children well" is a lyric from a Crosby, Stills and Nash 70's song. The children of the me first generation were not taught.
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Yeah but these kids are deep dipped in environmentalism, Gaia worship and such. From the moment they step into public schools. Doesn't seem to be the right brand of loving the planet tho.

RAS43 wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
There is no good solution. I'm not in favor of shutting the parks down like was done several years ago. But people need to behave better. Any reports from parks away from big cities? Perhaps they are faring better.

Rocky Mtn NP in Colorado is experiencing the same thing.

Well going along with the urban plague theory, I'd say Denver.

In 1971, an author from Iowa drove to So Dakota to interview Ben Black Elk a Oglala Lakota Sioux Chief. When Black Elk spoke, it was to the authors ten and seventeen year old sons. Black Elk knew that the young sons had not yet developed unalterable beliefs and habits that his words could not change, he felt only they could learn from the past.

That is who is not being taught to respect our world by the, "Me First" generation and why things will most likly get worst, before they get better. "Teach your children well" is a lyric from a Crosby, Stills and Nash 70's song. The children of the me first generation were not taught.