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steelshooter
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Apr 28, 2020

Best Fiver these days

I hope I am not opening to big of a can of worms here. It has been years since we were looking at RV's. The wife thinks we need to research a new fiver. I know years ago a lot of people said stay away from this model or that one. Don't buy anything with a Lippert frame. So we are getting back into the market and I would like suggestions from you folks on how the different brands stack up. About her only must have is a dual entry camper. I would like to stay under 38 feet but those seem hard to find. Currently we have a 2007 Fleetwood Regal 325RKTS. Let me know what you think, Or tell me about your rig.
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  • 4x4ord's avatar
    4x4ord
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    May 26, 2020
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    colliehauler wrote:
    memtb wrote:
    “If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
    Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

    The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

    I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

    Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.



    Depreciation on a 250,000 unit is definitely going to bother some. The other thing that makes a high end fiver less desirable for some is the weight. With quality comes weight. I think one of the smallest Continental Coach 5vers weighed about 26,000 lbs empty... New Horizons is likely .considerably less.
  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
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    May 25, 2020
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    Me Again wrote:
    Cummins12V98 wrote:
    "There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP."

    Our DRV probably "LISTED" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


    How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?


    That was out the door $ with the IS System. It's basically standard on Mobile and Elite suites.
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    Me_Again
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    May 25, 2020
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    Cummins12V98 wrote:
    "There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP."

    Our DRV probably "LISTED" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


    How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?
  • colliehauler's avatar
    colliehauler
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    May 25, 2020
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    memtb wrote:
    “If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
    Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

    The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

    I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

    Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.
  • larry_barnhart's avatar
    larry_barnhart
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    May 25, 2020
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    memtb wrote:
    I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb
    I have thought this for years. Can't believe a spec would ask for a frame that would have bad welds etc.

    chevman
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    Cummins12V98
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    May 25, 2020
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    memtb wrote:
    I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb


    Light and cheap = failures!!!

    Tripple stacked boxed frames on DRV's made by Lippert virtually have no issues.
  • B_O__Plenty's avatar
    B_O__Plenty
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    May 24, 2020
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    I haven't hear a complaint about about a newer model RV with a Lippert frame in several years. Like all the old ST tire complaints I think that has pretty much come to an end.
    B.O.
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    memtb
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    May 24, 2020
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    I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb
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    memtb
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    May 24, 2020
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    “If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
  • 4x4ord's avatar
    4x4ord
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    May 24, 2020
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    New Horizons; Luxe; Grand Design; DRV; Artic Fox are brands I would look at.... maybe Redwood. The companies that build higher quality can't seem to compete with the cheaper built manufacturers and end up shutting down. I would have liked to buy a Continental Coach in a couple years so was disappointed to hear of their closing up.

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colliehauler wrote:
memtb wrote:
“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.



Depreciation on a 250,000 unit is definitely going to bother some. The other thing that makes a high end fiver less desirable for some is the weight. With quality comes weight. I think one of the smallest Continental Coach 5vers weighed about 26,000 lbs empty... New Horizons is likely .considerably less.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-05-25T23:04:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-05-25T23:04:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":194},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3385081/message:3385116","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1287","rawBody":"
colliehauler wrote:
memtb wrote:
“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.



Depreciation on a 250,000 unit is definitely going to bother some. The other thing that makes a high end fiver less desirable for some is the weight. With quality comes weight. I think one of the smallest Continental Coach 5vers weighed about 26,000 lbs empty... New Horizons is likely .considerably less.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3385116_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:321363":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:321363","uid":321363,"login":"Cummins12V98","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-03T15:01:10.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:321363"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385115":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3385115","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3385115":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:321363"},"id":"message:3385115","revisionNum":1,"uid":3385115,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3385081"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3385081"},"subject":"Re: Best Fiver these days","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385115"},"body":"
Me Again wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
\"There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP.\"

Our DRV probably \"LISTED\" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?


That was out the door $ with the IS System. It's basically standard on Mobile and Elite suites.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-05-25T08:37:59.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-05-25T08:37:59.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":194},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3385081/message:3385115","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"454","rawBody":"
Me Again wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
\"There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP.\"

Our DRV probably \"LISTED\" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?


That was out the door $ with the IS System. It's basically standard on Mobile and Elite suites.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3385115_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:26705":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:26705","uid":26705,"login":"Me_Again","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-09-26T11:27:33.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:26705"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385114":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3385114","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3385114":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:26705"},"id":"message:3385114","revisionNum":1,"uid":3385114,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3385081"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3385081"},"subject":"Re: Best Fiver these days","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385114"},"body":"
Cummins12V98 wrote:
\"There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP.\"

Our DRV probably \"LISTED\" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-05-25T08:26:46.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-05-25T08:26:46.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":195},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3385081/message:3385114","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"300","rawBody":"
Cummins12V98 wrote:
\"There was a Luxe in a recent Trailer Life that was over $200K MSRP.\"

Our DRV probably \"LISTED\" at about 180k and we paid $130,000.


How much was the Morryde suspension after market upgrade? Is that included in your $130K figure?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3385114_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:175156":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:175156","uid":175156,"login":"colliehauler","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-01-27T10:51:56.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:175156"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385113":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3385113","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3385113":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:175156"},"id":"message:3385113","revisionNum":1,"uid":3385113,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3385081"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3385081"},"subject":"Re: Best Fiver these days","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385113"},"body":"
memtb wrote:
“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-05-25T08:26:34.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-05-25T08:26:34.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":194},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3385081/message:3385113","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"914","rawBody":"
memtb wrote:
“If” money is no object......New Horizons, out of Kansas! Their Summit line is still head and shoulders above most anything else....and somewhat affordable. If you will consider buying used.....they get a lot more affordable! memtb
Most people say they want the best until they hear the price.

The trouble with most high end products is devaluation. If you purchase a New Horizon, Rolls-Royce or Bentley 5 years down the road you have lost a heck of a lot of money. This can be a advantage to buying used.

I think the CEO of Keystone said it best, (We build more Montana's in a week than New Horizon builds in a year).

Most people will purchase a new (affordable) rather then a used late model High end trailer. Most people don't even know the difference. Don't believe me, look at the answer's that think low end trailers are high end.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3385113_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:280709":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:280709","uid":280709,"login":"larry_barnhart","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-03-30T09:51:01.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:280709"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385112":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3385112","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3385112":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:280709"},"id":"message:3385112","revisionNum":1,"uid":3385112,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3385081"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3385081"},"subject":"Re: Best Fiver these days","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3385112"},"body":"
memtb wrote:
I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb
I have thought this for years. Can't believe a spec would ask for a frame that would have bad welds etc.

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memtb wrote:
I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb
I have thought this for years. Can't believe a spec would ask for a frame that would have bad welds etc.

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memtb wrote:
I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb


Light and cheap = failures!!!

Tripple stacked boxed frames on DRV's made by Lippert virtually have no issues.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-05-24T18:22:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-05-24T18:22:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":355},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3385081/message:3385111","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"413","rawBody":"
memtb wrote:
I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb


Light and cheap = failures!!!

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