Wilber, maybe I wasn't clear. I am familiar with gcwr and know it is the total weight of the truck and the trailer with all passengers, equipment, and fluids. I've said that since the beginning and yes, I'll be a little over gcwr recommendations. It's the towed weight that we disagree on. And no, I have not said you can pull any weight. According to the specs for my truck, it has a payload capacity of 3790 pounds (directly from Ford) and it can tow 15,700 pounds; max, that's it. My position, and that of Curt who is a major hitch manufacturer, is that the 'towed' weight of the trailer is everything in and on the trailer, 'minus' the pin weight, because the truck is not towing the pin weight. So, with my example, the 18.5k pound trailer has a pin of 3k, and a 'towed' weight of 15.5 k. That has no effect on gcwr, and I know that.