how much TH would you pull with a Tundra crew max

Thanks for all the good info.
We ended up buying an 07 Ragen FB21 today. I had an 01, and the 07 is like comparing a Yugo to a Cadillac. This has a very nice plush interior.
GVW is just over 12k but empty weight is around 6400 lbs. I figure with options, personal items and some water he will be pushing his 9k tow rating.
I'm thinking the tounge weight will be around 800-1000 lbs so he will be pushing his GVW, but should be ok for where he plans to camp.
If he needs more, I'll let him use my dually.

I have a 2008 Tundra 4x4 Double Cab and I pull a Fuzion 260 with no problem. However, I made two modifications to the Tundra to increase my comfort level: 1) I installed the Firestone Ride-Right Helper Springs, model 2445 (no drilling was required - it's a bolt-on!) and 2) I bought an Equal-i-zer Weight Distribution Hitch. The only drawback I find with the Tundra is its small gas tank - it's only a 26 gallon tank! By the way, I get 10 MPG pulling the Fuzion so you have to plan your trips with gas stops along the way.

joebedford wrote:
Didn't the Tundra pull the space shuttle? Toyota must be saying you can pull whatever you want.

Oh good lord here we go again. I know you know the difference but I think you probably opened a can or worms for the Tundra crowd. :S

Didn't the Tundra pull the space shuttle? Toyota must be saying you can pull whatever you want.

The Tundra has a RAWR of 4150 lbs which is limited by the suspension and wheel package. It looks like the axle is tested at 5500 lbs. What is the weight of the empty rear, 2500 lbs?

Will the receiver handle a tongue weight of 1000+ lbs with a WDH?

You may be over GVWR even if you are under GCWR once you load the truck and hitch up.

Wow, I should sell my trailer!! Maybe I can pick up a Harbor Freight trailer and a tent to go camping.

A 7500 lbs GVWR trailer with a properly set up weight dist hitch and you will be fine.. It's good to listen to weight police here, but if follow their recommendations to the letter, there would be a lot less people out enjoying their TH's..

I pull my 26' Ragen no problem. I've had that thing all over the western USA.
Oh, you're gonna get grief from the "non Tundra" crowd. Don't worry about it. They're just jealous :-)

lincster wrote:

mrkoje wrote:

camp-n-family wrote:

Apples and Oranges. Can't compare a traditional TT to a toy hauler.

The TH in question lists GVWR under 7500lbs and light dry weights of 4k and a tongue of 450lbs. The poster doesn't plan on putting heavy toys in it, just bikes and beach balls. The usual for most campers. If this is truly the case then he won't likely be anywhere near the GVWR and the tongue weight will be well under 1k. No reason for it not to compare to a conventional TT. It will haul very similar and the Tundra will have no problem with it.

Agreed that it will be a different situation if he actually planned to use it to haul heavy toys, but this doesn't appear to be the case.

Actually camp-n-family is right on the mark with TT and TH being like apples and oranges - they are quite different in how they are designed. Traditional trailers are designed to be mostly balanced with approximately 10-12% tongue weight empty. Toy Haulers on the other hand are designed with substantially more tongue weight empty around 20%. They do this on purpose to offset the massive amount of weight that will be placed - often times behind the rear axles of the trailer.

That may not sound like a lot but you can't really tow around a TH properly without the toys in the back to balance out the load. The towing fundamentals stay the same with optimal towing around 13-15% tongue weight. Toy Haulers are more complicated to tow and balance properly and it requires a bit of forethought to place cargo appropriately.

I would not recommend a toy hauler to anyone that has absolutely no intention of putting heavy toys in the back.

Actually, that was me that said apples and oranges. And yes, I know I am right.

oops - Sorry it was your quote. I fixed it in the original.

camp-n-family wrote:

Actually camp-n-family is right on the mark with TT and TH being like apples and oranges - they are quite different in how they are designed. Traditional trailers are designed to be mostly balanced with approximately 10-12% tongue weight empty. Toy Haulers on the other hand are designed with substantially more tongue weight empty around 20%. They do this on purpose to offset the massive amount of weight that will be placed - often times behind the rear axles of the trailer.

That may not sound like a lot but you can't really tow around a TH properly without the toys in the back to balance out the load. The towing fundamentals stay the same with optimal towing around 13-15% tongue weight. Toy Haulers are more complicated to tow and balance properly and it requires a bit of forethought to place cargo appropriately.

I'm not familiar with the TH mentioned but if delivered weights are close to the listed dry weights, 4k with a tongue of 450lbs (11%), it could easily be loaded to maintain proper balance and tongue weight. For example if it is loaded with 500lbs worth of options and 2k worth of stuff would put it around 6500lbs loaded. A tongue weight of 15% is under 1k and should be achievable even for a toy hauler.

Hence, this is part of the issue. I am very familiar with toy haulers as I have owned both bumper pulls and 5th wheel toy haulers.
There is no way on this earth that a toy hauler has 450lbs of tongue weight.

No wide body toy hauler, like the one the OP is asking about, will have a loaded tongue weight under 1000lbs.

My FS3000 Weekend Warrior had a listed tongue weight of 900lbs. I bought a tongue weight scale and measured my tongue weight, at the ball.
Empty trailer, no toys, all tanks empty, my tongue weight was 1400lbs.
Full water, no toys, my tongue weight went to 1600lbs.
Full water, toys in the back, my tongue weight went back down to 1400lbs.

My buddies FS2600, 2 axle, was even WORSE!!!!
No toys, no water, tongue weight of 1700lbs.
Full water, not toys, tongue weight went to 2000lbs.
Full water, toys in the back, tongue weight of 1700lbs.

These are real world, actual measured weights. Not some brochure.

mrkoje wrote:

camp-n-family wrote:

Apples and Oranges. Can't compare a traditional TT to a toy hauler.

The TH in question lists GVWR under 7500lbs and light dry weights of 4k and a tongue of 450lbs. The poster doesn't plan on putting heavy toys in it, just bikes and beach balls. The usual for most campers. If this is truly the case then he won't likely be anywhere near the GVWR and the tongue weight will be well under 1k. No reason for it not to compare to a conventional TT. It will haul very similar and the Tundra will have no problem with it.

Agreed that it will be a different situation if he actually planned to use it to haul heavy toys, but this doesn't appear to be the case.

Actually camp-n-family is right on the mark with TT and TH being like apples and oranges - they are quite different in how they are designed. Traditional trailers are designed to be mostly balanced with approximately 10-12% tongue weight empty. Toy Haulers on the other hand are designed with substantially more tongue weight empty around 20%. They do this on purpose to offset the massive amount of weight that will be placed - often times behind the rear axles of the trailer.

That may not sound like a lot but you can't really tow around a TH properly without the toys in the back to balance out the load. The towing fundamentals stay the same with optimal towing around 13-15% tongue weight. Toy Haulers are more complicated to tow and balance properly and it requires a bit of forethought to place cargo appropriately.

I would not recommend a toy hauler to anyone that has absolutely no intention of putting heavy toys in the back.

Actually, that was me that said apples and oranges. And yes, I know I am right.