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I have a 2013 voltage 3905 I would like to add a 5k inverter. I have 4 - 6volts 215 amphours each. They are set up in series/parallel. Has any one added an inverter and did you add a second transfer switch?

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Anything more you will probably need a lot more batteries, not to mention the weight added by adding the batteries. Might I suggest a generator such as two Honda 2000 watt inverter type connected would be enough to run your ac if needed. Meantime reduce your load everywhere possible including changing your interior and exterior to led type. 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My rig does have a 5.5kw generator and dual refer. I think i'll lower my rating just for the tv,stereos and coffer maker,","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"162","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-16T19:48:48.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-16T19:48:48.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1747286/message:1747302","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"162","rawBody":"Thanks everyone for all the good advice. My rig does have a 5.5kw generator and dual refer. 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I had 6 x 6v plus a 2 kw pure sine wave inverter charger & solar in a previous 5er.

Now that was a 5er ready to go dry camping in.

You have nothing unless you have the battery capacity to power it & the understanding of how it all works.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-03T19:55:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-03T19:55:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1747286/message:1747301","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"346","rawBody":"Battery bank capacity is king. 4 x 6v is better than most but still not much. I had 6 x 6v plus a 2 kw pure sine wave inverter charger & solar in a previous 5er.

Now that was a 5er ready to go dry camping in.

You have nothing unless you have the battery capacity to power it & the understanding of how it all works.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1747301_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:69079":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:69079","uid":69079,"login":"christopherglen","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-02-16T16:59:32.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:69079"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747300":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1747300","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1747300":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:69079"},"id":"message:1747300","revisionNum":1,"uid":1747300,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1747286"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1747286"},"subject":"Re: Inverter question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747300"},"body":"I have a 3kw inverter charger that surges to 6kw. I run on 4/0 cables, and have no problems running both AC's off the inverter. 15 minutes later the low voltage alarm is on, and the inverter shuts down. You need to remember an AH is not an AH. The faster you pull current from a battery, the lower the capacity you have to work with. Most batteries are rated at their 24 hour rate, a 2 hour rate looses about 1/4 the capacity. Specifications for Concorde Sun Xtender AGM Deep Cycle Batteries
What are you attempting to run that requires that much power? Most rv's (other then the AC) can run quite happily off a 2kw generator. Many dry campers take only a 1kw to back up solar.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-03T13:56:36.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-03T13:56:36.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1747286/message:1747300","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"880","rawBody":"I have a 3kw inverter charger that surges to 6kw. I run on 4/0 cables, and have no problems running both AC's off the inverter. 15 minutes later the low voltage alarm is on, and the inverter shuts down. You need to remember an AH is not an AH. The faster you pull current from a battery, the lower the capacity you have to work with. Most batteries are rated at their 24 hour rate, a 2 hour rate looses about 1/4 the capacity. Specifications for Concorde Sun Xtender AGM Deep Cycle Batteries
What are you attempting to run that requires that much power? Most rv's (other then the AC) can run quite happily off a 2kw generator. Many dry campers take only a 1kw to back up solar.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1747300_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:26705":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:26705","uid":26705,"login":"Me_Again","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-09-26T11:27:33.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:26705"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747299":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1747299","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1747299":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:26705"},"id":"message:1747299","revisionNum":1,"uid":1747299,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1747286"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1747286"},"subject":"Re: Inverter question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747299"},"body":"There is no free lunch with an inverter! You have to be able to recharge the batteries, and that can take hours and hours depending on the charger. The area between 50 and 85 percent is the real workhorse area once you leave shore power, as the area from 85 to 100 takes extended charge time to complete as amps accepted by the batteries tapers off. So in the attached spread sheet you have around 150 amp hours to really work with in the field, which is very little. You need an amp hour gauge and a lot more battery. I have 780 amp hours in my boat and can run about three days without charging by tightly managing usage, with refrigeration being my biggest user. The boat has a 140 amp alt and smart regulator on one of the engines just for the house bank, and the Heart West Marine 1500 inverter has a 75 amp 4 stage charger.

In the trailer I have it setup with a Honda eu1000i that powers the converter and will charge at around 40 amps. On the other side of the batteries is a Heart Freedom 10 inverter/charger that can power hair dryers and microwaves that the Honda will not. So I can dry camp and have full sat receiver and HD TV running on the inverter, and still take down the little Honda to cool and refuel before bringing it back online.

So getting the power out of the batteries to an inverter is only half the story. BTW this spread sheet is available on request via PM with an email address to send it to. It has a single cell to insert battery bank amp hours and computes the rest. Chris

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In the trailer I have it setup with a Honda eu1000i that powers the converter and will charge at around 40 amps. On the other side of the batteries is a Heart Freedom 10 inverter/charger that can power hair dryers and microwaves that the Honda will not. So I can dry camp and have full sat receiver and HD TV running on the inverter, and still take down the little Honda to cool and refuel before bringing it back online.

So getting the power out of the batteries to an inverter is only half the story. BTW this spread sheet is available on request via PM with an email address to send it to. It has a single cell to insert battery bank amp hours and computes the rest. Chris

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pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

I simply plug the shore power cord into the inverter. I set the fridge to propane, and disconnect the converter.

If you want the battery bank to have a long life, then it is best to stay above 50% state of charge--so the usable amp-hours are about 200.

I know of no reliable 5000 watt pure sine wave inverter. Stay away from the Chinese ones.


^^THIS^^

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pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

I simply plug the shore power cord into the inverter. I set the fridge to propane, and disconnect the converter.

If you want the battery bank to have a long life, then it is best to stay above 50% state of charge--so the usable amp-hours are about 200.

I know of no reliable 5000 watt pure sine wave inverter. Stay away from the Chinese ones.


^^THIS^^

5kW is rediculous. Get a good quality 1-1.5kW pure sine.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1747298_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:37":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:37","position":25,"name":"Nomad III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:36953":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:36953","uid":36953,"login":"pianotuna","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-12-18T06:52:06.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:37"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:36953"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747297":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1747297","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1747297":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:36953"},"id":"message:1747297","revisionNum":1,"uid":1747297,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1747286"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1747286"},"subject":"Re: Inverter question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1747297"},"body":"Two paths. Total inverter power capable of doing all major loads (one at a time if you skimp on the battery bank).

Or

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