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Jul 31, 2016

Montana, Big Country, or Grand Design?

Good evening!

We've been full-timing in a 2008 Montana 3200RL for the last 4 years and are looking to buy a new 5er. We think we have settled on a new floor plan that's available from all 3 brands . . . Montana 3950BR, Big Country 3850MB, or Grand Design Solitude 377MB-R; all with a mid bunk room with loft on top of it.

We like this floor plan because we work out of the unit so good desk space is required and the 'office' of the bunk room is perfect for that as well as a guest room. And it has an extra sleeping quarters on top. Our current 5er doesn't have any reasonable guest quarters!

We've only seen the Big Country in person but are traveling to Houston to see the Montana and Grand Design on Wednesday. We are hoping to get some feedback on the models and the brands.

I was also wondering about what I consider a major design flaw. You cannot reach the refrigerator with the slides closed. Does anyone else have an RV with this 'flaw' and if so, how negatively has it affected you? I've always said I wouldn't buy one without access to the fridge and bathroom while closed. But now we are wondering if the floor plans benefits outweigh the negatives.

Thanks for any input or opinions you have to offer.

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We've been full-timing in a 2008 Montana 3200RL for the last 4 years and are looking to buy a new 5er. We think we have settled on a new floor plan that's available from all 3 brands . . . Montana 3950BR, Big Country 3850MB, or Grand Design Solitude 377MB-R; all with a mid bunk room with loft on top of it.

We like this floor plan because we work out of the unit so good desk space is required and the 'office' of the bunk room is perfect for that as well as a guest room. And it has an extra sleeping quarters on top. Our current 5er doesn't have any reasonable guest quarters!

We've only seen the Big Country in person but are traveling to Houston to see the Montana and Grand Design on Wednesday. We are hoping to get some feedback on the models and the brands.

I was also wondering about what I consider a major design flaw. You cannot reach the refrigerator with the slides closed. Does anyone else have an RV with this 'flaw' and if so, how negatively has it affected you? I've always said I wouldn't buy one without access to the fridge and bathroom while closed. But now we are wondering if the floor plans benefits outweigh the negatives.

Thanks for any input or opinions you have to offer.","body@stringLength":"1281","rawBody":"Good evening!

We've been full-timing in a 2008 Montana 3200RL for the last 4 years and are looking to buy a new 5er. We think we have settled on a new floor plan that's available from all 3 brands . . . Montana 3950BR, Big Country 3850MB, or Grand Design Solitude 377MB-R; all with a mid bunk room with loft on top of it.

We like this floor plan because we work out of the unit so good desk space is required and the 'office' of the bunk room is perfect for that as well as a guest room. And it has an extra sleeping quarters on top. Our current 5er doesn't have any reasonable guest quarters!

We've only seen the Big Country in person but are traveling to Houston to see the Montana and Grand Design on Wednesday. We are hoping to get some feedback on the models and the brands.

I was also wondering about what I consider a major design flaw. You cannot reach the refrigerator with the slides closed. Does anyone else have an RV with this 'flaw' and if so, how negatively has it affected you? I've always said I wouldn't buy one without access to the fridge and bathroom while closed. But now we are wondering if the floor plans benefits outweigh the negatives.

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NOT and Airstream trailers are junk ??NOT, DRV Mobile Suites Junk??? Not, all owned by Thor so before you start making Posts You should to do a little Homework Yourself ..YA Think? and by the way too bad you got a Bad Montana ,I have owned 3 all 3 have been good RV's, Montana sells about 4000 Monty's a year a good amount more than anybody else and yes they build a lemon sometimes but so does Everybody else INCLUDING Forest River that Owns ALOT of brands As well And yes Even the lone Ranger Grand Designs makes lemons as Well
dfb wrote:
Bought a 2015 Montana 3611 rl legacy. In one year, water heater did not work on electric, rope lights burned out, thetford toilet would not hold water, shower door latches fell off, backup camera did not work, furion replaced a great company!. Black water handle would not close, fixed twice.. Skirting flaps in the wind over the tires, vinyl mounding split from sun and came off all by itself over the awning and the trim under roof.. Interior mounding at ceiling hiding led lights came down just yesterday.Carpet is wearing very fast!. Keystone is absolutely useless with customer support.. Their reply is take it to your dealer. Keystone is owned by THOR INDUSTRIES, ! My opinion is stay away.. No quality control, cheap substandard materials, lack of factory support..THOR also owns airstream, mobile suites, Tahoe, keystone k-z and others... Do your home work, stay away from Thor....just my experience...my opinion,,,, others may disagree...
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We have eliminated the Montana and currently leaning toward the Big Country. The Solitude is beautiful but costs more and we have a really good dealer that sells the Big Country.

Me Again wrote:
Looking at the BC3850MB I see that the carrying capacity is low at just over 2K. Our Bighorn has also 1,000 pounds more capacity on the same 16,000 GVWR.

Carrying capacity is a big plus for a full time living unit.

BH3875FB has a desk option in place of the 1/2 bath.

I am not sure that I would want to give up the amount of living space that the MB models use for the \"office\", particularly as a full time unit.

Chris
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Carrying capacity is a big plus for a full time living unit.

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I am not sure that I would want to give up the amount of living space that the MB models use for the \"office\", particularly as a full time unit.

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