New Blue Ox Bed Saver

up2nogood wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Actually I dug out my manual, well, I opened the PDF file, and mine doesn't say to pin the handle back when hitching up. It does say to pin the handle back when unhitching, which I didn't remember ever reading. :) This is what it says:

"Remove the RV cam handle safety pin and rotate the RV cam handle to the open position."

Up2nogood, the only way a B&W hitch will drop a trailer is if the owner has an "Oops" moment. Period. Rconkin was good enough to volunteer the info of how his happened so we can see that. The fact is that the risk of dropping your trailer while using a B&W hitch is miniscule, and money spent on a bed saver could be spent on fuel going somewhere to have some fun. :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bed saver.

Here is what I am going to agree to disagree with you and the other fan boy Cummins,is that you guys don't get it , however miniscule you say it is , a drop can and will happen with any hitch B & W included, and that guy will probably wish he hadn't listened to you about the bedsaver.. Stop the nonsense.

I don't think name calling will make you any points.

I appreciate the person telling what happened to him. That is why I asked what reason there was to pin the handle open.

Bottom line the manufactures all have to CYA.

A little common sense goes a long way.

fj12ryder wrote:
Actually I dug out my manual, well, I opened the PDF file, and mine doesn't say to pin the handle back when hitching up. It does say to pin the handle back when unhitching, which I didn't remember ever reading. :) This is what it says:

"Remove the RV cam handle safety pin and rotate the RV cam handle to the open position."

Up2nogood, the only way a B&W hitch will drop a trailer is if the owner has an "Oops" moment. Period. Rconkin was good enough to volunteer the info of how his happened so we can see that. The fact is that the risk of dropping your trailer while using a B&W hitch is miniscule, and money spent on a bed saver could be spent on fuel going somewhere to have some fun. :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bed saver.

Thank you!

fj12ryder wrote:
Actually I dug out my manual, well, I opened the PDF file, and mine doesn't say to pin the handle back when hitching up. It does say to pin the handle back when unhitching, which I didn't remember ever reading. :) This is what it says:

"Remove the RV cam handle safety pin and rotate the RV cam handle to the open position."

Up2nogood, the only way a B&W hitch will drop a trailer is if the owner has an "Oops" moment. Period. Rconkin was good enough to volunteer the info of how his happened so we can see that. The fact is that the risk of dropping your trailer while using a B&W hitch is miniscule, and money spent on a bed saver could be spent on fuel going somewhere to have some fun. :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bed saver.

Here is what I am going to agree to disagree with you and the other fan boy Cummins,is that you guys don't get it , however miniscule you say it is , a drop can and will happen with any hitch B & W included, and that guy will probably wish he hadn't listened to you about the bedsaver.. Stop the nonsense.

Actually I dug out my manual, well, I opened the PDF file, and mine doesn't say to pin the handle back when hitching up. It does say to pin the handle back when unhitching, which I didn't remember ever reading. :) This is what it says:

"Remove the RV cam handle safety pin and rotate the RV cam handle to the open position."

Up2nogood, the only way a B&W hitch will drop a trailer is if the owner has an "Oops" moment. Period. Rconkin was good enough to volunteer the info of how his happened so we can see that. The fact is that the risk of dropping your trailer while using a B&W hitch is miniscule, and money spent on a bed saver could be spent on fuel going somewhere to have some fun. :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bed saver.

Hitch makers recommend a pull test for several reasons. Hitch makers also know any hitch including their own can be high pinned or a wedged pin/other reasons/etc hence the need of a pull test.

B&W companion warranty page
Pull Test:
Have the truck stationary with the emergency brake on, the trailer wheels blocked and landing gear still resting firm on the ground supporting the weight of the trailer. Make sure no one is between the truck and trailer. Return to the truck, release the emergency brake and apply the trailer brakes. Try to pull the trailer forward with the truck. If the trailer is properly hooked up, the wheel blocks and trailer brakes should not allow the truck to move forward. If trailer is not hitched correctly, the trailer will separate from the truck. However, with the landing gear resting firmly on the ground, it will support the trailer and not allow it to drop or fall on the truck sides.

IMO B&W knows more about standard 5th wheel hook up procedures than a RV owner with his first new B&W hitch.

Good Grief! Why does all of this remind me of my grandkids arguing. It's no wonder more people don't share there experiences on this forum. I'm thick skinned and really don't care what anybody's opinion is of why I do what I do. I personally choose to follow directions and that very simply is the reason the handle was pinned in the open position exactly as the instructions were written. I simply shared my experience of what happens when distracted in hopes that it would help someone else that was less experienced. I've learned from my exprience as well as from others on here that have shared theirs I didn't expect to have as many comments and insinuations as I have seen in this thread or the other one. Accidents do happen and if sharing my experience helps someone, it has served it's purpose. As others have stated, I am human and humans do get distracted and make mistakes sometimes. Why do I follow instructions? I work in the chemical industry and not following instructions and procedures can cost someone there life. Same as when I was in the Marines, don't follow instructions and procedures and someone could die. Forums are to share experiences, not argue about how perfect or imperfect we are. As for me, I get no enjoyment out of reading this junk anymore and seriously wonder why I care to even share my experiences or come on here anymore. To the OP, sorry this stuff happens. That looks like a good investment and I have seriously considered one for my B&W hitch, even if it's not needed.

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
There is an individual on another thread who says he dropped his 5er using a B&W hitch. He had the handle latched back so it couldn't close, hooked up, and then pulled forward without unlocking the handle. It can happen, but you really have to work at it. But then operating under that assumption you should have an alarm so you don't forget to put your slides in before driving off. :)

The thing that gets us fan-boys aggravated is the assumption that the B&W hitch can be mis-hitched and the 5er dropped. That can't happen, but yes, a person can have a brain fart and not allow the hitch to close.

FWIW you can forget to put the pin in the handle and you still won't drop the trailer. BTDT. The 5th wheel pin will not pull out of the jaws. When the jaws close and the handle swings to the rear the hitch is locked. Putting the pin in will keep someone from pulling the handle, but the hitch is solid even if you forget to put the pin in. I drove all the way out of the campground, down the road to the interstate before I saw it was not pinned. No problem, I went back, swung the handle and put the pin in.

Yes, I'm a B&W fan-boy and proud of it. :)

How to you figure one drops a fifth wheel, they have a brain fart as you say , is leaving the hitch locked in the open position not a mis-hitch as you call it. You can ,and will drop a fifth wheel with a B & W if you leave the hitch open, how else besides a high hitch do you think a fifth wheel will come loose. What comes to mind for me is leaving the hitch in the open position.

Not sure why anyone would pin a B&W in the open position??????

Why would anyone do anything to cause a drop **** happens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a serious question. I can't think of a reason to pin the handle in the open position with a B&W. Is there a reason?

I am sure it was serious ,this whole deal of dropping fivers is serious, and also you fan boys putting into people's heads they can't drop a fiver with this B & W fifth wheel hitch you guys are promoting, that is what is serious. Its a great a hitch I get it, but quit the nonsense you are spouting.

My God man give it a break!

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
There is an individual on another thread who says he dropped his 5er using a B&W hitch. He had the handle latched back so it couldn't close, hooked up, and then pulled forward without unlocking the handle. It can happen, but you really have to work at it. But then operating under that assumption you should have an alarm so you don't forget to put your slides in before driving off. :)

The thing that gets us fan-boys aggravated is the assumption that the B&W hitch can be mis-hitched and the 5er dropped. That can't happen, but yes, a person can have a brain fart and not allow the hitch to close.

FWIW you can forget to put the pin in the handle and you still won't drop the trailer. BTDT. The 5th wheel pin will not pull out of the jaws. When the jaws close and the handle swings to the rear the hitch is locked. Putting the pin in will keep someone from pulling the handle, but the hitch is solid even if you forget to put the pin in. I drove all the way out of the campground, down the road to the interstate before I saw it was not pinned. No problem, I went back, swung the handle and put the pin in.

Yes, I'm a B&W fan-boy and proud of it. :)

How to you figure one drops a fifth wheel, they have a brain fart as you say , is leaving the hitch locked in the open position not a mis-hitch as you call it. You can ,and will drop a fifth wheel with a B & W if you leave the hitch open, how else besides a high hitch do you think a fifth wheel will come loose. What comes to mind for me is leaving the hitch in the open position.

Not sure why anyone would pin a B&W in the open position??????

Why would anyone do anything to cause a drop **** happens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a serious question. I can't think of a reason to pin the handle in the open position with a B&W. Is there a reason?

I am sure it was serious ,this whole deal of dropping fivers is serious, and also you fan boys putting into people's heads they can't drop a fiver with this B & W fifth wheel hitch you guys are promoting, that is what is serious. Its a great a hitch I get it, but quit the nonsense you are spouting.

It's no nonsense! Once you have used a B&W you will see the light and realize that there is no reason to do a pull test after a couple quick checks!

I still would like to know what reason there is to pin the handle open with with a B&W?

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
There is an individual on another thread who says he dropped his 5er using a B&W hitch. He had the handle latched back so it couldn't close, hooked up, and then pulled forward without unlocking the handle. It can happen, but you really have to work at it. But then operating under that assumption you should have an alarm so you don't forget to put your slides in before driving off. :)

The thing that gets us fan-boys aggravated is the assumption that the B&W hitch can be mis-hitched and the 5er dropped. That can't happen, but yes, a person can have a brain fart and not allow the hitch to close.

FWIW you can forget to put the pin in the handle and you still won't drop the trailer. BTDT. The 5th wheel pin will not pull out of the jaws. When the jaws close and the handle swings to the rear the hitch is locked. Putting the pin in will keep someone from pulling the handle, but the hitch is solid even if you forget to put the pin in. I drove all the way out of the campground, down the road to the interstate before I saw it was not pinned. No problem, I went back, swung the handle and put the pin in.

Yes, I'm a B&W fan-boy and proud of it. :)

How to you figure one drops a fifth wheel, they have a brain fart as you say , is leaving the hitch locked in the open position not a mis-hitch as you call it. You can ,and will drop a fifth wheel with a B & W if you leave the hitch open, how else besides a high hitch do you think a fifth wheel will come loose. What comes to mind for me is leaving the hitch in the open position.

Not sure why anyone would pin a B&W in the open position??????

Why would anyone do anything to cause a drop **** happens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a serious question. I can't think of a reason to pin the handle in the open position with a B&W. Is there a reason?

I am sure it was serious ,this whole deal of dropping fivers is serious, and also you fan boys putting into people's heads they can't drop a fiver with this B & W fifth wheel hitch you guys are promoting, that is what is serious. Its a great a hitch I get it, but quit the nonsense you are spouting.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ependydad wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
It was a serious question. I can't think of a reason to pin the handle in the open position with a B&W. Is there a reason?

When unhitching, the B&W instructions say to pin the handle open.

The guy (in the other thread) did that, later went to hookup and didn't notice his handle was pinned open (nor did he close the handle). When he went to pull forward, he dropped the fiver.

Still don't see why?????

I open my handle and drive away.

I know you don't follow their instructions and that's your choice. That doesn't mean everyone works that way. The B&W instructions say to, so some people do.

(I will admit - this is one that I used to do and have gotten out of the habit of doing.)