SRW vs DRW

twodownzero wrote:

ependydad wrote:
So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

It looks like he's towing 17,000 lbs. with a SRW truck, of course he's going to be WAY overloaded.

I'm not overloaded with 16900 lbs hooked to my SRW.


Front truck axle 4980 lbs ..... empty weight is 4860
Rear truck axle 5820 lbs ..... empty weight is 3480
Trailer axles 14440 lbs ...... pin weight is 2460

Loaded truck weight is 10800 lbs ... the GVWR is 11500 lbs..... max rear axle weight rating is 7230 lbs

4x4ord wrote:
Exactly. You would need to be grossly overloaded before most police officers would bat an eye. Then your GVWR would be used as the mark to guage by.

This is incorrect in BC; DOT conduct random roadside checks with portable scales. I happen to know 2 people who have been stopped and weighed; they were both within their vehicle's GVWR and were allowed to proceed.

This is one of the reasons we have had a DRW truck since 2006; to be well within the GVWR of the truck.

ependydad wrote:
So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

It looks like he's towing 17,000 lbs. with a SRW truck, of course he's going to be WAY overloaded.

rhagfo wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ependydad wrote:
So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

He is over on everything that matters! TIRES!!!

That is so wrong!!!
The weakest link!!

OK add RAWR.

My truck I would NOT hesitate to go over 9,750# RAWR since my tires are rated to well over 11k.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ependydad wrote:
So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

He is over on everything that matters! TIRES!!!

That is so wrong!!!
The weakest link!!

The best thing about our dually truck is I have never regretted towing our 36 ft fifth wheel on any road condition.
chevman

"Driving a vehicle loaded above its GVWR creates a potential safety hazard because the vehicle’s frame, suspension, brakes and tires are not designed for weights above the rating the manufacturer has set."

How would they handle my truck loaded to it's RAWR and ZERO weight added to my front axle causing me to weigh 15k when my GVWR is 14k?

"**The gross weight of any vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be the sum of the individual gross axle weights of all the axles of the vehicle or combination of vehicles.**"

I would assume they would do as mentioned above and what "I" DO as in carry proper tonnage. My RAWR 9,750# FAWR 6,000# = 15,750# my scale weight loaded is around 15,400#. I am under my GCVWR.

ependydad wrote:
So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

He is over on everything that matters! TIRES!!!

So, ignoring legalities for a moment - my buddy bought a new trailer and was pulling it with his SRW 2014 Ram.

When he took it to the scales, he found he was over on GVWR and GAWR but most importantly, over on the tire load capacity of the stock tires on the truck. Here's a full write-up with weight slips (you shouldn't need to sign in):
https://www.facebook.com/LearnToRV/posts/1961335943933816

I'd think that people who are possibly running overloaded should make sure they're not over on the tire's capacity. IMO, that's the weakest spot.

4x4ord wrote:
How British Columbia views weight ratings.

Basically:
What are the penalties for driving a
vehicle loaded above its GVWR?
Regulations in BC were recently changed to
address consumer and industry concerns about
the GVWR. If a vehicle, with a GVWR of
5,500 kilograms (kgs), or less, that is
manufactured before January 1, 2001 is loaded in
excess of its GVWR and enforcement officer
deems it to be unsafe, the driver of that vehicle
may be given a Notice and Order. Most light
trucks and RVs have a GVWR of less than
5,500 kgs. If a vehicle with a GVWR of more than
5,500 kgs, regardless of the date it is
manufactured, is loaded in excess of its GVWR,
the driver of that vehicle may be given a violation
ticket. Driving a vehicle loaded above its GVWR
creates a potential safety hazard because the
vehicle’s frame, suspension, brakes and tires are
not designed for weights above the rating the
manufacturer has set.

And citations can be based solely on the officer's =opinion= as to what constitutes a "safe load". Also, lots of "may" and "potential", without proof. Again, also, it can be proven that many trucks use common components between models and the weight designation can be solely for registration and has nothing to do with actual capacity. How many 250/2500 models with a "camper package" are, in fact, 350/3500 trucks in 250/2500 disguise? Same frame, same suspension, same tires, different placard. I'm =not= arguing that there are a =lot= of truly overloaded trucks out there, but I =am= arguing that there are a =lot= of trucks loaded under their GVW that are just as unsafe, if not more, than trucks that are slightly over. Given all this, it still falls on having accurate scales that are measuring the weights and, especially, portable scales are notoriously inaccurate. I know of at least 6 truckers who were weighed on the roadside by DPS and ADOT and shown to be well over legal limits, yet when they went to a certified scale, were shown to be well =under= their legal limit. One guy was cited for being ~3,500 lbs overweight (~83,000 lbs), yet I witnessed him being weighed across the certified scales at our cotton gin at ~79,500. I heard later that the gin scale operator was called as a witness in court and the judge tossed the guy's ticket and was so pissed that he questioned every single overweight ticket that came through his court for the previous couple of years. :B

Lyle