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Aug 25, 2016

Sundance XLT vs, Cougar Lite

Looking into buying another 5th wheel and trying to stay as much under 30' as possible but all brands in this range are marketed as a "LITE". I'm concerned about quality. What are they leaving out of it to make it a lite???

Cougar uses a cable system to pull the slide back in and this seems strange. What pushes it out? A cable cannot push it can only pull.
The salesman had no clue!! Sundance uses gearing and track system, this seems less problematic to me. Cables will stretch

Can anyone shed some knowledge or personal experience on either of these two models. We came close to buying a Sundance 9 years ago when we bought our slightly used Cruiser. It has held up reasonably well. I realize that all RV's require some maintenance and do not expect 8 years of trouble free use. However I would like some personal stories of owners of either of these models.

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I'm concerned about quality. What are they leaving out of it to make it a lite???

Cougar uses a cable system to pull the slide back in and this seems strange. What pushes it out? A cable cannot push it can only pull.
The salesman had no clue!! Sundance uses gearing and track system, this seems less problematic to me. Cables will stretch

Can anyone shed some knowledge or personal experience on either of these two models. We came close to buying a Sundance 9 years ago when we bought our slightly used Cruiser. It has held up reasonably well. I realize that all RV's require some maintenance and do not expect 8 years of trouble free use. However I would like some personal stories of owners of either of these models.","body@stringLength":"900","rawBody":"Looking into buying another 5th wheel and trying to stay as much under 30' as possible but all brands in this range are marketed as a \"LITE\". I'm concerned about quality. What are they leaving out of it to make it a lite???

Cougar uses a cable system to pull the slide back in and this seems strange. What pushes it out? A cable cannot push it can only pull.
The salesman had no clue!! Sundance uses gearing and track system, this seems less problematic to me. Cables will stretch

Can anyone shed some knowledge or personal experience on either of these two models. We came close to buying a Sundance 9 years ago when we bought our slightly used Cruiser. It has held up reasonably well. I realize that all RV's require some maintenance and do not expect 8 years of trouble free use. 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Have you looked at Jayco? they have a 2 yr warranty period, double that of the keystone. Having said that, we put a lot of miles and use on ours every year and it seem to be holding up quite well so far. 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Have you looked at Jayco? they have a 2 yr warranty period, double that of the keystone. Having said that, we put a lot of miles and use on ours every year and it seem to be holding up quite well so far. 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Main slide is gear. Bedroom slide is cable. Haven't had any issues with either one. From the weight perspective, I can say that the floor seems to flex under your feet at times, so I'd guess they minimized floor thickness and supports. I wouldn't even think of walking on the roof. Bed framing is very light. Decor and cabinetry is quite nice, but simplified to reduce weight. 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Haven't had any issues with either one. From the weight perspective, I can say that the floor seems to flex under your feet at times, so I'd guess they minimized floor thickness and supports. I wouldn't even think of walking on the roof. Bed framing is very light. Decor and cabinetry is quite nice, but simplified to reduce weight. 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Likes to tow wrote:
Curly2001 wrote:
I have a Sundance XLT RK265. So far so good. Tows well and seems like pretty decent build. They are lighter and probably have less insulation in them compared to a \"regular\" trailer. I liked the feel of the Heartland better than the Cougar. Tried to buy a Cougar three times and ended up with the Sundance. We are at about 29' and a couple of inches for total length.
I do like the gear drive on the slide better also. No hidden cables to stretch out or try and find.
Good luck with your hunt for what fits you the best.


Curly

The specs on your RK 265 lists it at 28' 5\" but you say it's 29-2 so this could be a problem if I cannot trust the specs from the factory in their sales brochures. I have a storage building for my current 5th wheel and it is 31'so I need
one at least two feet shorter so I can add doors. Currently our 5th wheel sticks out too far to add doors.


A lot of times mfrs will list a \"length\", which is the coach, then the OAL, which is the length from front of the pin box to the rear of the bumper. My Komfort is spec'd at 28'10\", but is ~29'3\" using a plumb string.

Lyle","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-08-26T09:53:25.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-08-26T09:53:25.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":398},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:2392892/message:2392902","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1256","rawBody":"
Likes to tow wrote:
Curly2001 wrote:
I have a Sundance XLT RK265. So far so good. Tows well and seems like pretty decent build. They are lighter and probably have less insulation in them compared to a \"regular\" trailer. I liked the feel of the Heartland better than the Cougar. Tried to buy a Cougar three times and ended up with the Sundance. We are at about 29' and a couple of inches for total length.
I do like the gear drive on the slide better also. No hidden cables to stretch out or try and find.
Good luck with your hunt for what fits you the best.


Curly

The specs on your RK 265 lists it at 28' 5\" but you say it's 29-2 so this could be a problem if I cannot trust the specs from the factory in their sales brochures. I have a storage building for my current 5th wheel and it is 31'so I need
one at least two feet shorter so I can add doors. Currently our 5th wheel sticks out too far to add doors.


A lot of times mfrs will list a \"length\", which is the coach, then the OAL, which is the length from front of the pin box to the rear of the bumper. My Komfort is spec'd at 28'10\", but is ~29'3\" using a plumb string.

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Cougar XLite 28SGS. I remember one of the slides for sure was gear, and I believe the other was as well. We had no trouble with it for the 2 years we had it. I just got tired of banging my head getting out of bed. I immediately replaced the tires with Maxxis and put a wet bolt kit on it.
Sometimes wish I had kept it.
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Curly2001 wrote:
I have a Sundance XLT RK265. So far so good. Tows well and seems like pretty decent build. They are lighter and probably have less insulation in them compared to a \"regular\" trailer. I liked the feel of the Heartland better than the Cougar. Tried to buy a Cougar three times and ended up with the Sundance. We are at about 29' and a couple of inches for total length.
I do like the gear drive on the slide better also. No hidden cables to stretch out or try and find.
Good luck with your hunt for what fits you the best.


Curly

The specs on your RK 265 lists it at 28' 5\" but you say it's 29-2 so this could be a problem if I cannot trust the specs from the factory in their sales brochures. I have a storage building for my current 5th wheel and it is 31'so I need
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Curly2001 wrote:
I have a Sundance XLT RK265. So far so good. Tows well and seems like pretty decent build. They are lighter and probably have less insulation in them compared to a \"regular\" trailer. I liked the feel of the Heartland better than the Cougar. Tried to buy a Cougar three times and ended up with the Sundance. We are at about 29' and a couple of inches for total length.
I do like the gear drive on the slide better also. No hidden cables to stretch out or try and find.
Good luck with your hunt for what fits you the best.


Curly

The specs on your RK 265 lists it at 28' 5\" but you say it's 29-2 so this could be a problem if I cannot trust the specs from the factory in their sales brochures. I have a storage building for my current 5th wheel and it is 31'so I need
one at least two feet shorter so I can add doors. 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