New to the RV world and looking for advise from the prosSo here is what I have and the trailer I'm looking at. I had posted this info over in the toy hauler weight section but figured it's really not exclusive to that section.I have a 2007 Chevy Silverado classic 2500HD Duramax CCSB 4X4. The manual says 14,200 max tow and 22,000 GCWR. I have E rated tires at 80psi of a total capacity of 6084 lbs rating. I weighed my truck full of fule 2 passengers and my B&W companion slider at 7880 lbs and a rear axle weight of 3420. The trailer I'm looking at is a 2013 Crossroads Elevation 3612 stickered at 11,572 from the factory not sure of the exact pin weight but the NADA spec says 10,910 lbs dry and 2400 lbs pin. Am I calculating this correct that I need to limit my trailer to 14,120 lbs to keep from exceeding my 22,000, and limited pin weight to 2,664 lbs?Is this trailer going to be pushing it once loaded? I guess it also depends on just how much gear I load up. Since it is a toy hauler if I keep more to the rear will it be fine?Thanks in advance for helping this rookie.

Your 2,664 pin weight seems high for a 2500. There should be a driver's door sill sticker, usually the same one that shows tire pressures, it will have a statement that indicates the vehicle's maximum payload.

Loaded ready to travel scaled weight subtracted from the GVWR will give you ???? Weight. This is how much or little cargo capacity you have in the real world. Typical fifth wheel pin weight is between 18 and 22% of its loaded weight. Since your just looking, use 20% of the trailers GVWR. Is the pin weight eqial to or less than your CCC? Then your good to go. If not, then YOU have to decide whether that much overloaded is OK or not.

Your truck's GVWR - gross vehicle weight rating and the maximum it can weigh - is 9200 based on my research ( http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Chevy/specs/ ). That means your maximum pin weight is going to be 9200 minus 7880, or 1,320. The GVWR is the thing that you always run up against with a 250/2500 series truck and a big fifth wheel, the 3/4 ton trucks just do not have the payload for a heavy trailer. If you tow that trailer you'll be around double the allowable pin weight rating for your truck. GVWR is the number that matters, the tire ratings don't count (but should not be exceeded, which you won't if you keep to your GVWR).

I have a 2007 Chevy Silverado classic 2500HD Duramax CCSB 4X4. The manual says 14,200 max tow and 22,000 GCWR. I have E rated tires at 80psi of a total capacity of 6084 lbs rating. I weighed my truck full of fule 2 passengers and my B&W companion slider at 7880 lbs and a rear axle weight of 3420.First off......forget that 14,200# max tow. THat is a magical mfg. marketing number that is based on 150# driver, 20# cargo and base model truck. You will exceed trucks GVWR, RAWR/Tire Rating long before reaching that MAX TOW number.You have a 2007 2500 so trucks GVWR is probably 9200#....???You weighed 7880#........leaves 1320# before exceeding trucks GVWRNow lets forget GVWR and look elsewhere.RAWR is 6084# and your weight was 3420#......leaves 2664#IF you use 20% of trailer GVWR for 'wet pin' that is a 13,320# trailer. SO call it a 13K GVWR 5vr. Course that puts you right at trucks RAWR/Rear Tire Rating and over the trucks GVWR by 1344#Basically if you look for a 5vr with a GVWR of 12K you will still be over trucks GVWR by few hundred pounds but under RAWR/REAR Tire Rating.That will at least give you some margin on RAWR/Rear Tire Loading.It all comes down to whether you go with Ratings, a little over on Trucks GVWR and under the others OR just hook up and go!Personally I pay attention to Tire Ratings/Loading.

Old-Biscuit wrote:I have a 2007 Chevy Silverado classic 2500HD Duramax CCSB 4X4. The manual says 14,200 max tow and 22,000 GCWR. I have E rated tires at 80psi of a total capacity of 6084 lbs rating. I weighed my truck full of fule 2 passengers and my B&W companion slider at 7880 lbs and a rear axle weight of 3420.First off......forget that 14,200# max tow. THat is a magical mfg. marketing number that is based on 150# driver, 20# cargo and base model truck. You will exceed trucks GVWR, RAWR/Tire Rating long before reaching that MAX TOW number.You have a 2007 2500 so trucks GVWR is probably 9200#....???You weighed 7880#........leaves 1320# before exceeding trucks GVWRNow lets forget GVWR and look elsewhere.RAWR is 6084# and your weight was 3420#......leaves 2664#IF you use 20% of trailer GVWR for 'wet pin' that is a 13,320# trailer. SO call it a 13K GVWR 5vr. Course that puts you right at trucks RAWR/Rear Tire Rating and over the trucks GVWR by 1344#Basically if you look for a 5vr with a GVWR of 12K you will still be over trucks GVWR by few hundred pounds but under RAWR/REAR Tire Rating.That will at least give you some margin on RAWR/Rear Tire Loading.It all comes down to whether you go with Ratings, a little over on Trucks GVWR and under the others OR just hook up and go!Personally I pay attention to Tire Ratings/Loading.YUP, good points!It ain't what it can tow it's what it can carry! This is where the 250/2500 crowd get in trouble!

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Old-Biscuit
Explorer III
Aug 31, 2015
I have a 2007 Chevy Silverado classic 2500HD Duramax CCSB 4X4. The manual says 14,200 max tow and 22,000 GCWR. I have E rated tires at 80psi of a total capacity of 6084 lbs rating. I weighed my truck full of fule 2 passengers and my B&W companion slider at 7880 lbs and a rear axle weight of 3420.

First off......forget that 14,200# max tow. THat is a magical mfg. marketing number that is based on 150# driver, 20# cargo and base model truck. You will exceed trucks GVWR, RAWR/Tire Rating long before reaching that MAX TOW number.

You have a 2007 2500 so trucks GVWR is probably 9200#....???
You weighed 7880#........leaves 1320# before exceeding trucks GVWR

Now lets forget GVWR and look elsewhere.
RAWR is 6084# and your weight was 3420#......leaves 2664#
IF you use 20% of trailer GVWR for 'wet pin' that is a 13,320# trailer. SO call it a 13K GVWR 5vr. Course that puts you right at trucks RAWR/Rear Tire Rating and over the trucks GVWR by 1344#

Basically if you look for a 5vr with a GVWR of 12K you will still be over trucks GVWR by few hundred pounds but under RAWR/REAR Tire Rating.
That will at least give you some margin on RAWR/Rear Tire Loading.

It all comes down to whether you go with Ratings, a little over on Trucks GVWR and under the others OR just hook up and go!

Personally I pay attention to Tire Ratings/Loading.
VintageRacer
Explorer
Aug 31, 2015
Your truck's GVWR - gross vehicle weight rating and the maximum it can weigh - is 9200 based on my research ( http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Chevy/specs/ ). That means your maximum pin weight is going to be 9200 minus 7880, or 1,320. The GVWR is the thing that you always run up against with a 250/2500 series truck and a big fifth wheel, the 3/4 ton trucks just do not have the payload for a heavy trailer. If you tow that trailer you'll be around double the allowable pin weight rating for your truck. GVWR is the number that matters, the tire ratings don't count (but should not be exceeded, which you won't if you keep to your GVWR).
donn0128
Explorer II
Aug 31, 2015
Loaded ready to travel scaled weight subtracted from the GVWR will give you ???? Weight. This is how much or little cargo capacity you have in the real world. Typical fifth wheel pin weight is between 18 and 22% of its loaded weight. Since your just looking, use 20% of the trailers GVWR. Is the pin weight eqial to or less than your CCC? Then your good to go. If not, then YOU have to decide whether that much overloaded is OK or not.
boshog
Explorer
Aug 31, 2015
Your 2,664 pin weight seems high for a 2500. There should be a driver's door sill sticker, usually the same one that shows tire pressures, it will have a statement that indicates the vehicle's maximum payload.

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