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- 72westyExplorer
A recommendation of starting at 70-80psi for the front bags is too high. Your coach is 28ft and very likely has a front GAWR of 4880lb (same as mine 1994 P-30 28ft). The GM manual air bag pressures for a 5000 GAWR are 40psi min and 50psi max. Your min is likely 30-35psi but certainly not 40psi. look inside your closet it will have the weight GAWR ratings.
As for the measurements that were previously given they are NOT what the coach should be when adjusting. They are for determining the 'Degree set' for front alignment....
With respect to checking the ride height on the P series rig it must be measured between the upper control arm and the base of the rubber bump stop (iron to iron) ignore the rubber bumper. It also must be measured perpendicular to the upper control arm. This is with the RV level and air bag pressure at max pressure.
That measurement is then used to select the degree set for alignment. Some have said the measurement is between the top of the rubber bump stop and the upper control arm. This is incorrect. It is iron to iron. And the final measurement only has to do with the degree set for alignment and nothing else.
http://www.offroadtoybox.com/RV/P-Chassis-AlignmentProcess.pdf
- happycamper002Explorer
dougrainer wrote:
You do NOT have to be an Engineer to KNOW what you have been taught and what you have learned over the years. People like you never let the facts get in your belief system. Curious, HOW MANY ENGINEERS WORK ON YOUR VEHICLES AND ON THINGS YOU NEED FIXED???????????????? Doug
You are throwing the baby with bath water.
As other posters have said: after replacing the airbag one needs to jack up the front end and adjust the air pressure to achieve the level.
Your mindset belongs to the league of technicians who told me that I needed a pair of shocks because the RV was leaning.
Seventeen years as a tech is a long time for someone not to learn much.
Don't get me wrong, there are good technicians out there.
Bottom line as I have said: to some extent, airbag pressure does help to level the rig.
Throw out the dirty water but don't throw away the baby. - mfinnertyExplorerOne thing I've noticed in this thread is that no one has mentioned that when air bags are replaced the front end alignment should be checked. I found out that my airbags were bad when I noticed severe wear on both front tires. After installing new airbags and determining the pressure I needed to maintain (70 psi) and getting new tires, I had the front end aligned.
- DougEExplorerI AM a mechanical engineer and I have always worked on my vehicles. I agree that I am rare though. A person's capabilities are a result of their education and experience. Vehicle experience can be gained by direct hands-on experience or by designing and testing. Some things are not correctly understood, however, without a background gained through advanced study. In the final analysis, though, I don't care whether you're a mechanic or an engineer. I just care whether your deduction is backed up by a logical basis.
Folks on this forum are supposed to be adults. Name calling is no substitute for facts. happycamper002 wrote:
Big nonsense, CW replaced the blown airbag and corrected the problem.
How do you explain that.I still have the blown air bag to prove my point.
Try to make more sense in what you say to make yourself believable.
An Rv tech doesn't make an engineer.
You do NOT have to be an Engineer to KNOW what you have been taught and what you have learned over the years. People like you never let the facts get in your belief system. Curious, HOW MANY ENGINEERS WORK ON YOUR VEHICLES AND ON THINGS YOU NEED FIXED???????????????? Doug- Yes, after install load needs to be taken off the air bag so it straightens out. Only takes 30-40 pounds.
- bjarnoldExplorerI heard that you are supposed to also jack up the front axle in the middle when you inflate them but I don't know if it's true or not
- Clay_LExplorerI had a 96 motor home on a 95 P30/32 chassis. The vehicle owners manual described how to set the pressure in the airbags. In case you don't have the manual this is what mine said:
The owner’s manual gives the following ranges:
4,300 LB front suspensions = 10 psi to 50 psi
5,000 LB front suspensions = 40 psi to 50 psi
5,300 LB front suspensions = 50 psi to 80 psi
5,500 LB front suspensions = 60 psi to 100 psi
For the proper adjustment it says to inflate the air bags to the maximum pressure for your vehicle, load the motor home, park on a level surface and then reduce the air pressure as needed to level the motor home but don’t reduce it below the minimum.
I have seen other schemes for adjusting the pressure per ride quality, but the 1995 Chevrolet Forward Control Chassis owner’s manual said to do it as shown above.
I don't know if it's accurate or not but other posts have said the pressure in the bags affects the alignment and you should have it checked when you get the pressure set. The manual did not mention that however. - The distance from the rubber bump stop on the lower control arm to where it would make contact on the upper control arm should be between 1.75 and 2.5 inches.
- bjarnoldExplorerThe shop that did the air bags only works on diesel trucks and farm equipment so they have a pretty good knowledge of what they are doing. They said everything looked fine and they replaced the sway bar bushings as well. They also pulled out the coil springs to replace the air bags which I was not expecting. The ride height on the bumpers is approx. 2". I should have measured the actual "lift" from the new air bags before and after but I can tell you that before I was able to reach above the front side windows to apply wax to the coach now I can only reach half way up the side window's. So probably 6" or so