400hp 9.2ISL Cummins or 400hp C9 Cat

tropical36 wrote:
I appreciate the feedback so far, and we've been sort of, sort of, looking at the earlier Fleetwood Revolutions which were built on the American Platform and the Spartan chassis, but weren't called American and not until about 2012 or so.
Looks like the 06 and 07 are Cat engines and the 08 being a Cummings.
Really like the 1 1/2 bath model and the quality look of these coaches in general.
So what about parts and labor costs between the two, if and when that's needed and something the average gear-head doesn't want to do for themselves?

My vote would be the 07 and earlier, not because of the cat, just due to the fewer smog controls on the pre-08' engines, the new laws made cat leave the market.

When I said my CAT was louder, I meant standing next to it outside while it's idling. Granted, most coaches are newer than mine, but I made the same observation on the Ford pickups my neighbor had. He is a contractor and bought a new Ford pickup every year. When he went from the CAT powered one to whatever Ford used next (Duramax???), it got a lot quieter idling to warm up in his driveway 7:00 am every day. The CAT always sounded like it was about to throw parts out the side of the block. The 3126 in my Sahara has a similar sound.

sprintmod1 wrote:

tropical36 wrote:
I appreciate the feedback so far, and we've been sort of, sort of, looking at the earlier Fleetwood Revolutions which were built on the American Platform and the Spartan chassis, but weren't called American and not until about 2012 or so.
Looks like the 06 and 07 are Cat engines and the 08 being a Cummings.
Really like the 1 1/2 bath model and the quality look of these coaches in general.
So what about parts and labor costs between the two, if and when that's needed and something the average gear-head doesn't want to do for themselves?

I have owned both. The Rev's have been built on the AC line and the early run of 2010's is when they changed the decals from Fleetwood to AC. Currently have a 2010 AC Rev with the 8.9 Cummins. There is a difference. The Cat has all types of power especially from a dead stop to 55mph. The down side to that power is it is about 1mpg lower than the Cummins. With the Cummins, the get up and go from a dead stop is much slower, powerful, just much slower. The up side to that is we are averaging about 1mpg better than the Cat. Once over 50mph, I don't feel any difference in the engines and we are generally pulling a 14000lb trailer. The Cat's do like to eat!

Since 2007 the on road engines have some sort of smog system on them. My Rev is currently at 120000+ miles and we are having various issues with the DPF system and that is costing some major dollar repairs. And by a few months after the government mandated five year warranty has expired on the emissions system to boot.

Given a choice, I would take a Spartan chassis Rev over a Freighliner and the Cummins over the Cat due to the large amount of miles we rack up every year. The fuel savings have so far exceeded the maintenance costs. Your results may vary.

Good luck with the coach search, it can be frustrating, but when you find a good one, it will be worth it!!!

Good that you brought up this smog thing, which I keep hearing about and not much good to be said of such.
So, you're saying if you want to stay away from these systems, stick with the 2006 model.
As for the engine size, this 9.2 liter thing came from a sales advertizment and have no idea if that's correct or if it is in fact an 8.9 liter. Either way, there's a lot of talk about ISL engine failure on the net, so again, I'm clueless.
Now, if one was to stick with the 06 model Revolution, then they would have a Cat C9 anyway, along with whatever problems they've been noted for.

sprintmod1 wrote:

tropical36 wrote:
I appreciate the feedback so far, and we've been sort of, sort of, looking at the earlier Fleetwood Revolutions which were built on the American Platform and the Spartan chassis, but weren't called American and not until about 2012 or so.
Looks like the 06 and 07 are Cat engines and the 08 being a Cummings.
Really like the 1 1/2 bath model and the quality look of these coaches in general.
So what about parts and labor costs between the two, if and when that's needed and something the average gear-head doesn't want to do for themselves?

I have owned both. The Rev's have been built on the AC line and the early run of 2010's is when they changed the decals from Fleetwood to AC. Currently have a 2010 AC Rev with the 8.9 Cummins. There is a difference. The Cat has all types of power especially from a dead stop to 55mph. The down side to that power is it is about 1mpg lower than the Cummins. With the Cummins, the get up and go from a dead stop is much slower, powerful, just much slower. The up side to that is we are averaging about 1mpg better than the Cat. Once over 50mph, I don't feel any difference in the engines and we are generally pulling a 14000lb trailer. The Cat's do like to eat!

Since 2007 the on road engines have some sort of smog system on them. My Rev is currently at 120000+ miles and we are having various issues with the DPF system and that is costing some major dollar repairs. And by a few months after the government mandated five year warranty has expired on the emissions system to boot.

Given a choice, I would take a Spartan chassis Rev over a Freighliner and the Cummins over the Cat due to the large amount of miles we rack up every year. The fuel savings have so far exceeded the maintenance costs. Your results may vary.

Good luck with the coach search, it can be frustrating, but when you find a good one, it will be worth it!!!

Good comparisons between the two engines. Though it almost sounds like the difference could be accounted for by different gearing between the two coaches.

tropical36 wrote:
I appreciate the feedback so far, and we've been sort of, sort of, looking at the earlier Fleetwood Revolutions which were built on the American Platform and the Spartan chassis, but weren't called American and not until about 2012 or so.
Looks like the 06 and 07 are Cat engines and the 08 being a Cummings.
Really like the 1 1/2 bath model and the quality look of these coaches in general.
So what about parts and labor costs between the two, if and when that's needed and something the average gear-head doesn't want to do for themselves?

I have owned both. The Rev's have been built on the AC line and the early run of 2010's is when they changed the decals from Fleetwood to AC. Currently have a 2010 AC Rev with the 8.9 Cummins. There is a difference. The Cat has all types of power especially from a dead stop to 55mph. The down side to that power is it is about 1mpg lower than the Cummins. With the Cummins, the get up and go from a dead stop is much slower, powerful, just much slower. The up side to that is we are averaging about 1mpg better than the Cat. Once over 50mph, I don't feel any difference in the engines and we are generally pulling a 14000lb trailer. The Cat's do like to eat!

Since 2007 the on road engines have some sort of smog system on them. My Rev is currently at 120000+ miles and we are having various issues with the DPF system and that is costing some major dollar repairs. And by a few months after the government mandated five year warranty has expired on the emissions system to boot.

Given a choice, I would take a Spartan chassis Rev over a Freighliner and the Cummins over the Cat due to the large amount of miles we rack up every year. The fuel savings have so far exceeded the maintenance costs. Your results may vary.

Good luck with the coach search, it can be frustrating, but when you find a good one, it will be worth it!!!

The C9 is nothing like the older Cats. It is an Acert engine and can be problematic. However even some ISL's have connecting rod problems. You can check the engine ser. # to see if the unit you want is one that has that defect. I don't remember the year range.

Moisheh

PLEASE: There is no Cummings engine. Cummins does make engines.

That was Bruce's point.

I know this may sound picky, but if you are looking at a coach and write Cummings, they will know you are not familiar with diesels-- NOT to your advantage.

Bruce Brown wrote:
Cummins - not Cummings. :W

As far as Cat or Cummins, as has been mentioned that would be the last thing I would consider when looking. Either will give you good service, either will outlast the house above it.

Most sure either would do as well in longivity, like you say, but if one or the the other might be prone to higher maintenance costs over a 10 - 15yr period, then that would definitely be something to consider.
Evidently, that's not the case either, so now it's just a matter of available shops and have heard that even some of the Cummings places work on Cats as well.

Cummins - not Cummings. :W

As far as Cat or Cummins, as has been mentioned that would be the last thing I would consider when looking. Either will give you good service, either will outlast the house above it.

Did not know they made a 9.2L ISL... 8.9 maybe. Having made a lot of money with Cat heavy equipment, I'm glad I have a ISL. Do a search of Cat Acert by Ivylog.